I should let someone else answer this, but IMO, YES   LOL
 
   I call the Euro tbls seatbelt tbls because they are that dangerous.   There is alot to be made playing them when the stars align right though.   When doing the conversion back to USD, on a good session, you have more because you can start with more bb's in play.   Obviously, you have more at risk though also.   Meaning a persons overall BR can and sometimes does take a hit.

   Fletch is one of many that can better explain this, but that is how I see it.

^^^Well...That is what I meant.


   If the site had more traffic than yea, why play 2nl when you could play 4nl and it be about the same as far as what $ you had in play.   The only reason to play 2nl Euro would be because you thought you would have a bigger edge there than 4nl USD.


Yes, everyone starts with the same # of bb's, but I still see it as each of my bb's is worth more than a Europeans bb.   So if they raise me even 1bb it is really taking me 1.5 bb to play. (approx. but not really even close, but you get the idea)     I understand this is not how a person should view this but ,imo,there is really no way around that fact.   I kinda believe that is why the tables play the way they do when they are loaded with a bunch of Italians.


If we were playing for the only food/sandwich we would get today and I was bet into for half my sandwich I would not be risking just half my sandwich but 3/4th's my sandwich.    If I were to lose 3/4th's my sandwich vs 1/2 your sandwich then I am short stacked. This is what I mean by it can be rough on your BR.

Everyone can play UD and Euro tables from any country, so both is for all

the option for filters is seperate, if you want to play euros then the money box that says euros needs to be check, now it filters
in each one, what I mean by that is that if you go to sit n go then you need to do the filter again and mark the euro check box
and then the same for ring games, so you have to changr the filters for each section seperately

what I found is that euro players call all in's like crazy especially at the omaha table's, I had big aces and was called by like 3 other
players with krap, my guess is there teaming up big times

When you play euro money it auto adjusts for us dollar, like if you take euro $4 to a ring game it will take like $5.28 from your account
so the money adjust to, if you play .10/.20 its like playing .13/.26

good luck

That was a joke. Because I am Australian. And there are no AUD tables. The point was anyone can play any tables, so not playing the Euro tables because Italians are maniacs doesn't help you if they can play USD tables.

   All this fancy talk is just smoke and mirrors.     The conversion makes it cost more for me to play a euro table.   It's just the way it is.


If we each go to the cashier, me with $2USD and you with $2Euro, who leaves with the most chips?       
If it is an American table, you buy in with 100 bb, and put some extra chips in your pocket.   I buy in even.   
If it is a Euro table, you buy in 100bb even, and I buy in short.


Right now,today, it costs me more to buy a Euro chip than a USD chip.  When I put my USD BR into play at a Euro table it has cost me more.   If I win it is great.   I convert the Euros I won to USD and my USD BR grows faster than had I been playing a USD table of equal stake.   I lose and well it shrinks faster.


If I buy USD chips and play USD tables all is equal.   My European counterpart however can buy into the same USD game for less of his overall BR.


If a European player goes busto for all his Euros and can't buy in to a Euro table, it may still be possible for him to buy in to a USD table.


Lets say a Euro is your home currency and mine is USD.   We each put $20 on Everleaf.   You put $20 Euro and me $20 USD.    We each sit with our entire BR at a Euro table but neither of us ever plays a hand.   Who gets to see more hands?


My OCD causes me to continue also.   There is no way you do not see this.   I do not know how I can be any more plain.   Although,if you need any further explanation, please feel free to pm me.




 

^ Everything six said.


No. It's not the way it is. It costs more to play at a 4nl USD table than it does to play at 2nl Euro table.



If I go to the cashier with $4USD and you have $2Euro, who leaves with the most chips? This is a silly question.       
Not if it's a 4nl table.

Not if it's a 4nl table.


Depends on the denomination on the chip. $100USD chip is way more than a $1 Euro chip. Again, this is a silly comment to make.


And when you buy in to a 10nl table it costs more than at a 2nl table. So what?


Same if you are playing 10nl instead of 2nl. So what?


You can also buy into a 2nl table for less of your bankroll than a 10nl table. So what?


And if you can't buy into a 10nl table, you might still be able to buy into a 2nl table. So what?



It depends on what limit tables you buy into. You'll last longer at 2nl than at 10nl. So what?



This whole thing started because you said when you play at a Euro table you have more bb's in play. This is just wrong. If you do not see this, we can continue until you do.

   but seriously we could go round and round for months.   Yes as I have said, over and over and over and over and over and over and over......a BB is a BB is a BB.   A euro BB is no different than a US BB once it goes into play at the table.   The difference happens when converting. You know that. I know that,hell everybody knows that.   Why continue to split hairs and pretend to not see the point I am making ?

I'm not going to discuss it any further.   I believe we are saying the same thing,only in a different way.
   
I completely understand what each of you are saying and readily admit it.   Imo,the two of you are picking and choosing statements, out of what I said, to further this discussion and are not reading the entire post in the context that I am best able to say it.

Personally, I see no need to continue and really could not care any less. 

It's called taking the high road Six.   As stated, I am through discussing this.   I would however recomend that you reread the entire thread.   If you want to continue playing the role of school yard bully...so be it.

 I have a job as administrator of this forum to make sure people (and not just you, but others here that may play on Prodigy and are reading misleading info) to make sure people aren't misinformed, and that's what I did.  Not to mention, I was trying to help 2 friends- you, who admittedly is "looking at it the wrong way", and Fletch, who has had to address this more than once.  So excuse me if I feel like Fletch and I got a knife in the back.

 

Man I hate to get back into this but here goes. 


Reading yahoo news today I came across this.   Now I am even more confused.





Here is the link to the entire story   http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-113824-11728-3-5-deals-to-look-forward-to-in-2012?ywaad=ad0035&nc


I was reading this article as an American article but which travellers are they talking about?   Europeans coming here or us going there?
I suppose I am just to ignorant to get my mind around it but if I only get .76 Euro for my whole $1.00 dollar U.S. than to me it seems travel to Europe is more expensive.   If however, I could go to Europe and give them .75 cents for a whole 1.00 Euro than it should be less expensive to travel there.


Where am I messing up?   I used to run to Toronto and could stop at a travel plaza to eat ,in particular Burger King.   I could order the Whopper Combo and say the menu board,in Canada, said $5.00.   Well, I could hand them a $5 U.S. bill and would get change back.   The same hamburger in Detroit priced at $5.00 was well $5 + tax.   I always felt like I was getting a deal when I ate in Canada.


I do not know for a fact anymore but I believe that today it would be just the opposite.   If the menu board in Canada said $5 it could possibly really be $5.50 or more U.S. so I would feel like I was getting stiffed for the same hamburger.


When thinking about poker chips I suppose if a person wanted they could just buy in with $2.00 U.S. but my point here has always been that if I did that then I would not have the 100 BB that a Euro player does.   If like this article reads though...and it was reversed where I got to spend .75 cents and got 1.00 whole Euro then I could get my 100 BB for $1.50 U.S. or to take it a little further I could get stacked 3 times those 100BB and atleast have the feeling on the 4th buy in that I was playing free because I had saved .50 cents the previous 3 times that I bought 100 BB. <<< compared to having played a 2nl US table and it costing me $2.00 each buy in for the 100 BB


I would really like to better understand this but absolutley do not want to argue.   

1st Answer=   Because it exposes my true ignorance.   The saying   " Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you are an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt " comes to mind.


2nd Answer=   See with that sort of exchange,even though it is wrong to think this, I would be thinking "What a deal" if at the time you speak of I was playing on a Aussie site/Aussie table.   Be it right or wrong, it would make / entice me too play looser. ie: the Italians on Everleaf  
I agree 100% that none of this matters except when depositing/withdrawing...but again if I were in the Italians shoes I would probably play looser on a U.S. table and a "normal" game on a Euro table.   We all know,as a rule,this is not how they play but this is what I would do if I were Italian playing at Everleaf.   Again, this would not be right, because as you have said we are playing for a BB not playing thinking about the conversion rate.   Or as in an earlier post about sandwiches, we are each playing for a whole sandwich.


---   I just can't let it go   ---
Even though it cost me more to buy that sandwich.

But we're here to help answer your questions. You don't get answers without asking questions.


But again, do you think "What a deal!" when sitting at a 2nl table as opposed to a 10nl? "100 BB only costs $2 here as opposed to $10 at the 10nl tables!" It's exactly the same thing.


That comes down to your own frame of mind. If you can't play good poker because it's cheaper to play at 2nl, that's a flaw in your poker playing. Your play should never be based on how much it costs to play, but rather what cards you have and how your opponents are playing.

  

Again, your buy in should have nothing to do with influencing your play. You play differently in a freeroll because your opponents are. You tighten up and shove premium hands while their shoving all sorts of rubbish. You don't start shoving any 2 cards because it cost you nothing.