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« on: August 16, 2010, 10:05:08 AM »

For the life of me I don't understand why players don't take advantage of all the opportunities available to them in online poker.  I'm talking about all the free money out there waiting to be claimed.

I'm not talking about 100.00 - 250.00 free rolls with massive fields where you can play for hours and not win a single dime.

I am talking about smaller free rolls with reduced fields, sign up bonuses, refer a friend bonuses, rakeback, special promotions, points tournaments, gold chips and gold cards (at Cake poker sites), Doyle's room first time deposit FREE 27.50 entry, etc etc.  Then you have the OFC tournaments that have individual free rolls plus added forum prizes. The buyin events are usually 5.50 and have added value because of added money and/or tournament tickets.

I would rather play 10 smaller free rolls with under 100 players than one massive one. You get more experience in the smaller ones because your chances of making the final table are greater and that is where the money is and the more experience you have around the bubble and final table the better off you will be when you play money tournaments and reach these levels.

I'm going to walk you through what I would do if I was a new player OR I was a player trying to build a bankroll.

The first thing I would do is never sign up at a new poker site unless I had rakeback and then I would try to get someone to refer me as a friend for those bonuses.

I would save up as much money as I could to take full advantage of the initial sign up bonus.  You can always play freerolls for the practice until you get sufficient funds together.  

The first site I would sign up for is Full tilt.  100 percent first time bonus, refer a friend bonus, Fulltilt Academy, Ironman promotion and other special promotions they run all the time.

Then I would play 60 percent cash games, 30 percent sit and goes and 10 percent MTTS.  I would try to make 50 points per day for 20 days of the month so that I could qualify for the Ironman tournament each month. At the very least I would earn 1 point a day for the month and gain entry to the 2K freeroll OR I would take the 15 medals and not play it. I win at least 25.00 80 percent of the time I play in the ironman each month. The other day I won 450.00 and earlier this month 400.00 which I consider 'bonus' free money.

EVERY time I play a cash game or tournament I put up one of the Poker Academy challenges.  Eventually you will earn enough points to get a free satellite ticket to a very decent MTT and a chance at a big score.

EVERY month I do ONE quiz and qualify for the monthly 5k free roll where it is not difficult to earn at least the minimum amount of 7.50.  By taking advantage of all your opportunities at FT it's like double or triple dipping. You earn regular points (double during happy hours), you earn medals for ironman which can be converted to points or tournament tickets and you have the Fulltilt Academy where you can learn valuable skills as well as earn extra points and money for free.

Look for guaranteed MTT's that have overlays (they are around) which is more bang for your buck.

If you don't want to join FT then join Doyle's room. With a first time deposit of 50.00 you will get a free entry into the 27.50 weekly tournament where you have a chance to win 1,000.00 knocking off one of the 3 pros. Earning points gets you gold chips and gold cards that can be used for satellite events for some very nice guaranteed tournaments. They have a 110 percent first time deposit bonus and if you have the money it's best to deposit as much as you initially can to get the most value as this bonus is good only ONE time at each site!

EDIT: With Doyle's room moving to a new network I cannot recommend them any longer.   If you want another room then go with Pokerstars which has a very good reward system.

There are many other similar opportunities out there at various sites so do some research and find what is best for you.  For any new room I would do a google search first and run like hell if there has ever been any problem with withdrawals.  That is usually a sign of trouble.

Educate yourself. Read the good poker books, watch final table videos of major tournaments at Poker stars, view and participate in the discussions on playing certain hands in this forum and others, go to a table, cash or tournament and watch the play and make NOTES!  You never know when you will run into a player again and having some information on them is unbelievably useful.  Save up your money and buy Pokertracker or Holdem Manager.  Keep records of your play either in a spreadsheet or manually for each day.  Put in as much information as you like and eventually you will see where you are making money and/or losing it.  Then play the games where you show the most profit. Play hands you show the most profit and avoid or limit your play on the hands you are losing with.  Begin by playing ONE cash game or ONE tournament focusing 100 percent on the table.  Don't play unless you are physically and mentally in shape.  There are so many times I have registered for a tournament and have pulled out because I'm tired, didn't really feel like playing or something else came up.  Eventually you can play more than 1 table at a time cutting down on variance and maximizing your profit potential.  

Play within your bankroll! I cannot stress how important this is and finally avoid TILT!  It's ok to walk away when you are losing.  Tomorrow is another day and you may double what you lost today from the horrible beats you suffered. It's ok to walk away a winner as well.  I set goals for myself each day. If I get my 250 points (my goal is at least 15 days at 250 a day at FT) and am up I'm done my cash game/s. If I'm down and haven't taken a beating I continue to play setting a most loss barometer until I win it back.  If I hit my most loss barometer I'm done.  Do I feel crappy?  Yup, but I know tomorrow is another day.  If I'm doing a Poker academy cash game that requires 100 hands and a profit I will quit once I hit my goal and if I'm still short points I'll join another table and continue with another challenge or the same one from the Academy. It's all about maximizing your opportunities. Sometimes I will not quit when I hit my goal because the table is so juicy and I'm winning but as soon as the dynamics change I'm out of there.


I see so many players without a plan bouncing from one free roll to another, making a few dollars (blowing it within a day or two). Why does this happen? Probably because they haven't prepared themselves in the areas I mentioned.

In the last 5 years I have made over 20,000.00 (not including a main event 10k WSOP seat) with the majority of this coming from 'free' money taking advantage of bonuses, points, medals, gold chips and cards etc etc.  And this from a very limited play schedule. I take a LOT of time off from poker.  This is my hobby and it's so much more fun when I can play whenever I feel like it and earn extra cash for taking vacations and buying things I wouldn't have been able to afford without poker.

This post got longer and longer and for those who got this far and have comments or questions fire away. I hope that some will find this information useful.  

All the best and good luck at the tables!



Kash
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2010, 10:24:11 AM »

  Some excellent advice Kash , thanks for the post !!                   
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2010, 10:44:37 AM »

great article you wrote kash.  let's say you are having  a day where the cards are just not in your favor, or you aren't in the correct mindset.  do you keep playing to get your 50 points per day?
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 11:03:54 AM »

great article you wrote kash.  let's say you are having  a day where the cards are just not in your favor, or you aren't in the correct mindset.  do you keep playing to get your 50 points per day?


No.   Tomorrow is another day. 

If I wasn't in the right mindset I wouldn't play to begin with.  However, if your mind set is because of how the cards were running and/or some bad luck I would leave the game and perhaps try another one later in the day quite possibly at a lower limit.

If it didn't matter that I miss the 50 points this day because I've still got other days to make it up then I'm done and will start fresh the next day.

Just to give you an example of my mind set today, I've been trolling the forums, catching up on email, posting etc. and put my name on a list at FT to play a cash game.  While waiting to be seated I realized that I am tired from all the reading etc. for the last couple of hours and removed myself from the list.  I will take a break for an hour or so and then play at FT between 3 and 5 ET and earn double points instead.  At the same time I will have one of the poker academy challenges up and running of course.

Kash
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2010, 11:11:36 AM »

Great post and awesome advice.
I'd like to add one other way as well.
On Pokerhost you can play a step 1 fun money buy in game- top 3  wins a step 2 ticket. top 3 win step 3 ticket and the winner of that game wins 1.00.
this is a really easy way to make a small bankroll and get you started with no restrictions.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 11:35:36 AM »

Kash, I like this post that much I was gonna ask if I could quote you over at my place (or use some of your advice by actually quoting you).

Excellent article and some very sound advice.  I would just reiterate the need for a very sound Bankroll management strategy.....

Rob
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2010, 01:05:43 PM »

yep nice advice---I don't think many FT players take advantage of the academy.  As just a casual user, I've earned over 10000 points which I converted over to regular FT points.  Especially in the beginning, most of the sng and mtt challenges are pretty easy to get done.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2010, 01:17:37 PM »

Kash, I like this post that much I was gonna ask if I could quote you over at my place (or use some of your advice by actually quoting you).

Excellent article and some very sound advice.  I would just reiterate the need for a very sound Banroll management staregy.....

Rob

Ty.  By all means quote or copy and paste Smiley

What's the link?



Kash
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2010, 01:21:21 PM »

yep nice advice---I don't think many FT players take advantage of the academy.  As just a casual user, I've earned over 10000 points which I converted over to regular FT points.  Especially in the beginning, most of the sng and mtt challenges are pretty easy to get done.


I posted something about the Academy at Rakereport and/or Pokernations over a year ago and it seems that it didn't change anything lol.  Or maybe you were the one true converter?

As a matter of fact, I have almost 8000 points and have cashed 5000 for regular points or if I remember correctly I used the Academy points for a buy-in ticket because it cost less than the regular points.  When converting you need to look at the cost of a ticket with normal points vs Academy points. 


Kash
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 03:15:40 PM »

Kash, I like this post that much I was gonna ask if I could quote you over at my place (or use some of your advice by actually quoting you).

Excellent article and some very sound advice.  I would just reiterate the need for a very sound Banroll management staregy.....

Rob

Ty.  By all means quote or copy and paste Smiley

What's the link?



Kash

I will put a link to this post from our place (btdpokerforum.org) probably tomorrow and mention you by name.

Thanks for that Kask, great article .....

Rob

EDIT: Here is a link to the post I put on our place (if this is overstepping the mark please remove it Six  Smiley Smiley)

http://www.btdpokerforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5151
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 05:21:00 PM »

(if this is overstepping the mark please remove it Six  Smiley Smiley)

LOL, yer funny.  But thanks for the formality of politeness.  Obviously you can dispense with that from here on out.


Well, actually, maybe I shouldn't let you link my standings in fantasy football... but other than that...
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2010, 11:30:45 AM »

(if this is overstepping the mark please remove it Six  Smiley Smiley)

LOL, yer funny.  But thanks for the formality of politeness.  Obviously you can dispense with that from here on out.


Well, actually, maybe I shouldn't let you link my standings in fantasy football... but other than that...

LMAO, wonder how I can creep those into my posts........

Rob
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 01:37:38 PM »

Hi Kashuskay

I have a small beef with the issue of Sign Up Bonuses which you mentioned and recommended here.  Plenty of innocent newbies don't understand how they operarte nor the appallingly slow rate at which the sites release those bonuses.

Can you therefore using your example of FT sign up bonus (which is current $600) lay out the reality of how many hands a newbie would have to play before all of the bonus was released.  You'll have to assume some realistic average amount of rake per hand.   It would help also if you can state the figures if a player can only break even, or can only make a small profit.  Also would be good to state the numbers if the newbie is a losing player.

Thanks
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 10:21:43 AM »

Hi Kashuskay

I have a small beef with the issue of Sign Up Bonuses which you mentioned and recommended here.  Plenty of innocent newbies don't understand how they operarte nor the appallingly slow rate at which the sites release those bonuses.

Can you therefore using your example of FT sign up bonus (which is current $600) lay out the reality of how many hands a newbie would have to play before all of the bonus was released.  You'll have to assume some realistic average amount of rake per hand.   It would help also if you can state the figures if a player can only break even, or can only make a small profit.  Also would be good to state the numbers if the newbie is a losing player.

Thanks


Good questions and I will try to answer them.


"I have a small beef with the issue of Sign Up Bonuses which you mentioned and recommended here.  Plenty of innocent newbies don't understand how they operarte nor the appallingly slow rate at which the sites release those bonuses."

If you are going to join a site and make your first time deposit you need to look at how bonuses are released and at what rate.  Some sites release bonuses in increments or in percentages while others require you to earn the full bonus and usually within a time frame. Obviously you will need to know how much you plan to play and at what limits and decide whether or not the bonus is attainable. Some sites offer 'new depositor' bonuses that are just awful to meet and you should avoid that site IMO because the rest of their perks based on play will be substandard as well. Also, picking a site that has the games you want to play and sufficient traffic at the times you play is paramount in your decision.

"Can you therefore using your example of FT sign up bonus (which is current $600) lay out the reality of how many hands a newbie would have to play before all of the bonus was released.  You'll have to assume some realistic average amount of rake per hand."   
 
This is from the FT website.

At FT, for each dollar raked from a pot, every player who was dealt cards for that hand will earn one point. You can earn partial points if less than one dollar is raked, and you can earn up to three points per hand.

Each point is worth $.06, so you can earn up to $18 per hundred hands.

For every dollar paid in tournament or Sit 'N' Go fees, you will receive 7 Full Tilt Points. There is no cap on the number of points you can receive.

The bonus amount will be automatically credited to your Bonus Account where it will be held and released to your cash account in increments of 10% of your initial deposit, or $20, whichever you earn first. So if you do a one-time deposit of $100, each $10 (10%) earned will be instantly released into your account. Deposit the full $600 and your account will get credited for each $20 of bonus earned. At three points per hand, each $20 increment can be earned in fewer than two hours of play at only one table.

You can see your cash total and bonus cash amounts in the Cashier window. You will continue to collect cash until you have received 100% of your bonus money. You have 120 days to earn your deposit bonus.


NOTE that a first time depositor gets a ticket into a 100,000.00 free roll which is fantastic in my opinion.

Combine rakeback and play during double points times (run several times a day) and you can rack up extra points that can be used for tournament tickets, satellite tournaments, gear and other things you can buy at the store, etc.  You will only get 'regular' points during double points time towards your bonus however.


As I stated you will need to evaluate how many hours and at what limits you will play as an individual and make some calculations to determine how much of the bonus you can expect to clear.  I cannot generalize here and say deposit X number of dollars because each player is unique. I can however state that if you want the full benefit depositing 600.00 (it is a one time offer) is the only way to get maximum benefit.


"It would help also if you can state the figures if a player can only break even, or can only make a small profit.  Also would be good to state the numbers if the newbie is a losing player."

Obviously if you have rakeback and the first time deposit bonus and can only break even or make a small profit you WILL be ahead during the bonus period.

If you are a losing player the bonus and rakeback will offset some or all of these losses.



Kash
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2011, 10:05:49 AM »


....used the Academy points for a buy-in ticket because it cost less than the regular points.  When converting you need to look at the cost of a ticket with normal points vs Academy points. 

absolutely, ....important aspect of taking advantage of various promotions at various sites, is to "comparison shop" within that promotion to get the best deal
equally important is reading all the fine print associated with any given program or promotion to find what's the best option for you as participation/use of some things may affect your true returns (like rakeback affected by point usage at FT) ....

as far a FTP Academy goes.... there's 100% no rhyme or reason for anyone NOT to have a (pertinent to what you're playing at the time) challenge active for every hand played....
 it's free extra points for what you're doing anyway, and often, waaaay more points than you earn through rake for the time played to complete the challenge

 I got a couple tourny tickets from academy and they were at cheaper rate than in the reg FT store .... extra free points for play I was engaged in anyhow, AND got the pts at about 10:1 rate compared to rake earned, AND when spent they got items at discounted rate....

i unfortunately cant get rakeback at FT, and I'm not sure how Academy pts redemption affects it....but I think even if you have rakeback and redeeming the pts neg. affects it, still a good idea to do the challenges and rack up a ton of pts, never know what may happen to rakeback structure/rules in the future..... or you could buy a car with em or something




on a sidenote.... JBaker just sent me an email

   if you get one from him immediately delete it

     trust me, you DONT want to open it

         you just can't unsee some things   


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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2011, 11:31:27 PM »

Great article! Players should take these advantages. Keep up.


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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 03:13:26 AM »

Great article! Players should take these advantages. Keep up.



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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 10:01:15 PM »

Great article! Players should take these advantages. Keep up.





Tyvm.

I edited my post today.   I'm not recommending Doyle's room since they moved to a new network and the entire dynamics of their site has changed for the worse in my opinion.


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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2011, 11:41:45 AM »

for US players..... since negatively affecting your rakeback is no longer a concern, prob a good time to use up those FTPs, medals, academy points ect (if it's even allowed to do that now ?)
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2011, 12:35:35 PM »

I am quite impressed with this article
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