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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2012, 12:51:55 AM »

Just a few encouraging thoughts about US players' money on Everleaf:

- Everleaf is not as US-dependent as Full Tilt or Absolute were
- Unlike Alderney, The Lotteries & Gaming Authority of Malta requires player funds be held in an escrow account
- The LGA of Malta is highly regarded. So much so, Poker Stars has just acquired an LGA/Malta licence (Malta is part of the EU, and having a EU licence means your players can play tax-free)
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2012, 10:36:11 AM »

Probably just Lock propaganda but a good read anyways.   Post #8352


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/mintedpoker-minted-poker-official-support-promotions-thread-1038774/index557.html
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2012, 02:35:45 PM »

No problem, two.

Anyone looking for poker news should really use Twitter. Follow @pokernewsdaily, @pokerfuse, @PokerScout1, @HQPokerStrategy for breaking poker news. There are others (like Kevmath and PokerNews), but the above 4 Tweeters are 4 of the better poker news sources. Anyone know any other really good poker news tweeters?

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2012, 02:42:50 PM »

Sorry for the late reply, but I have just as much trouble as everyone else with the speed of the site.  I didn't even know about the Prodigy situ until yesterday.  

I don't know why the site is bogging so much, but I have to assume it has to be a server problem at our host company.  Fletch is the account holder of our hosting, so I hope he can get some resulution.  You may remember about a year ago we had issues with them and were actually down several days.  We may look into paying for more reliable hosting in March when our term expires, as these prolonged instances of downtime is unacceptable.  You can see plain as day how damaging this is, particularly when some nasty shit happens to be going down as in the Prodigy case.

As for Prodigy, I do not yet know the situation.  I'm also unable at this time to play there without altering my info.  Fletch posted Darryl's response, but I'm sure you all share my lack of faith in anything from the executive department of a poker room.  They would likely say anything necessary to avoid a massive run on the cashier.  Even if transactions are blocked, the increased traffic from attempts would likely bog down their system.  If the shoot is really gonna hit the fan, I fully expect the brass at the company to be the last to let us know about it.

As for the "extracurriculars" ITT, We're all rightly pissed.  Shit was said all around, so what.  We all know the story and that no one is really mad at each other, but at the situation.  So let's let it pass.  Thanks for the apology on your part, twospd, and let me apologize for not being around to help the situation as much as I could.

I hope we can resolve the situation at Prodigy.  If not, I have to say I highly doubt that we will be pursuing any further poker room for the purpose of US players playing, aside from perhaps a legal subscription site.  I just don't feel right leading anyone into yet another situation where they lose their playing rights and possibly their roll.  It's a shame, as we are finally getting to where we're making some nice money and giving it back.  If we have to start all over again, 2 years of building this affilliation will have been for naught.  But that really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. We'll do our best to keep things going on PS Home Games or whatever we do; this has never been about the money (though it sure helps).
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2012, 08:40:15 PM »

First off, I again want to apologize for being a butt head.  
Secondly, I want it to be crystal clear I hold no one at this forum responsible for what happened.


I have always considered any money deposited to a online pokersite, be it FullTilt or Everleaf or wherever,  to be monopoly money.   I would try my best not to lose it at the table and the few times I was able to make a withdrawl well, that was just icing on the cake.   What burns me up is when it is taken from me by the government or what might really be going down at EL.   My ranting yesterday did nothing but cause a bad situation to become worse.  ~maybe it provided a little entertainment for some though.   but I was truly pissed. Embarrassed


Edit :   I suppose none of this was a option so I deleted it.
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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2012, 08:49:36 PM »

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First off, I again want to apologize for being a butt head.
 
same here.

Can't say I've had probs w/ sixandfourum... seems to maintain the same load speed as 2+2.
[OK, that includes BBV4l threadz w/ pix, but still, livable imho.]

Regarding turnys, are we still going ahead with the Matrix thing @ Stars for now?
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2012, 11:04:08 PM »

You lost me there Gabe.   You did this yesterday?   What do you mean by making a new account?   How does doing this enable you to get to your old account where the cash is?

well no way to get into your old account, some players have I seen

I am playing on Prodigy again, under a different name, I now live in Canada "HINT", took me about 8 minutes
went from California to Canada just like that, snap of a finger

I got $$ transfered to me and I transfered back

If anyone can log in from usa and has any kind of money on there and wants to play ring game, send me a pm before its to late
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2012, 10:07:24 AM »

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/blog/everleaf-shuts-down-all-us-operations/

I don't know how it gets any clearer.  We're shut down, and as I suggested, Darryl was blowing smoke up Fletch's azz.  We can't log in until we approve the new ToC, and rule 18 prohibits US players from taking any part in the site.  Sorry if this isn't news to you guys, but it's confirmation to me.

It also has a rule banning all player to player transfers, so there's no point to even accessing our accounts.  Basically all we can do is lie about our location, start a new account, and wait to get our old account refunded.  But I would advise against that;  Odds are, they will soon install IP tracking software, sniff out players playing in the US, and likely seize those accounts.  If you get caught, you may forfeit the roll in that account.

Far as I know, the Matrix on PS is still biz as usual; As Gabe is running it, it's up to him more than anyone else.
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2012, 02:30:59 PM »

No problem, two.

Anyone looking for poker news should really use Twitter. Follow @pokernewsdaily, @pokerfuse, @PokerScout1, @HQPokerStrategy for breaking poker news. There are others (like Kevmath and PokerNews), but the above 4 Tweeters are 4 of the better poker news sources. Anyone know any other really good poker news tweeters?



http://www.sixandfourum.com/poker-news/full-tilt-poker-article-dump/150/#msg26868 <-- Subject:Poker is no more, however Diamond Flush is continuing the thankless work that Noah started -- in the past you could rely on http://twitter.com/SubjectPoker and http://twitter.com/NoahSD but I guess from now on http://twitter.com/Diamond_Flush , see http://diamondflushpoker.com/2012/02/introduction/


what are your thoughts on http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news ? too biased potentially?

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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2012, 03:52:52 PM »

I'm gonna clog this thread up.   Thank you for the updates everyone.    Thank you BNS and DFD for these links


Thank you DFD for the laugh...it honestly made me LOL. Grin


I am just glad I could get in here.   I had to use the search feature and gosh knows I do not like doing that.
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2012, 06:24:16 AM »

hmmm...
they sent me  rakeback statements this AM in email...
not like I can accesss my acct. tho. Shocked
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2012, 11:47:59 AM »

hmmm...
they sent me  rakeback statements this AM in email...
not like I can accesss my acct. tho. Shocked


Yea I got mine also.   My question is does anyone remember what days that RB ran?   ie:  Sun through Sat or whatever it was.


  
I know I will look next Tues. also but the reason I ask is I am trying to keep a current SS of my bal.   Yea,yea I know it don't make a sht and I could try and find the info.myself but I thought I would ask anyways. Undecided  
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2012, 01:56:20 PM »

Hmmm, just as some on 2+2 have said I believe I/we have been gotten when our USD was converted to Euro
My amount/BR on EL is inconsequential but that is besides the point.   Imo it appers I am missing ~ 1.00 Euro.
I only played Euro tables during this RB period so it simplifies things.
On page #1 of this thread I posted a SS of my Bal when I was locked out.   It was $56.96
When I check today my Bal is now in Euro.





When I do the conversion this is what I get.  






And here is today's RB statement






So.   If we start with $56.96 and convert to Euro we get  43.46 Euro   We can then add in the RB of .31 Euro and get 43.77 Euro


         43.77   what the bal should be
      -  42.72   what the bal is
        ______
          1.05     How short I believe it to be.


Now this is insignificant but imagine it x"s every one they might do it to.   Of course at peak time there was only ~ 1k ppl playing and if 200 of those were US I would be surprised so the dollar amount is still low using my Bal.   What of the others that had significantly more cash there though?   This could add up quite quick.


I did here the news this morning say the USD made up ground vs the Euro through the nite so this may be the answer for the discrepancy.


I only post this to bring attention to the possibility of this happening and to hopefully allow ppl to judge for themselves.


Edit : Or if you do it this way and go from the Euro bal I am now showing and convert it back to USD I have actually lost .89 and haven't doe a damn thing voluntarily.   This # could be different also if you figure in the RB.   I have no idea when my USD was converted  (b4 or after RB hit) but if it was b4 than that .89 would actually be more.





I understand this 2nd scenario is only when we get our $ back.   I do know I have no use for Euro here in middle TN.
    
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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2012, 07:26:22 AM »

This is the court doc filed against the network.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BxNSLF3qCn56YWZkODk0MmItMTQ2Ni00ODVhLThlZWQtMWUzMGE1ZGFiNTMx

I am surprised at the timeline.  
Look at the bottom of the page.   The way I read it some dude in WA state was "contacted" ,LOL , by the Secret Service concerning his wire transfer.


What would any of us do if the SS came knocking at the door? Grin     <<< would be the look on my face (meaning SHOCK),  then   then      


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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2012, 07:51:25 AM »

In the "What's wrong with the forum" thread I posted about having probs here is the purpose for this post.
Anyways none of my posts here have any option but Reply and Quote.   This has not been the norm.


The link above does work, you just have to be smarter than I am and click to the left of the page to see each page/screen.

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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2012, 09:47:35 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2012, 04:20:28 PM »


Thank you DFD for the laugh...it honestly made me LOL. Grin

 If you mean this...

 then yes, found that on 2+2. And yikes, I just found a few more of 'em...
http://www.funnyordie.com/slideshows/f3145cb84f/obscure-examples-of-the-how-people-see-me-and-what-i-actually-do-meme
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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2012, 04:57:41 PM »


What would any of us do if the SS came knocking at the door? Grin     <<< would be the look on my face (meaning SHOCK),  then   then      




I'd greet them by saying "So you finally found the bodies?" and see where it went from there.
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« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2012, 04:06:10 PM »





What People Think I Do -- a BUNCH of examples
http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2012/02/meme-watch-what-people-think-i-do-versus-what-i-really-do-reminds-us-that-all-jobs-kinda-suck/


apologies if you think this...
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« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2012, 05:56:37 PM »

apologies if you think this...

I love a good meme, but they've become shootty now that everybody has discovered them and thinks they can make good ones. I can't stand all the college meme pages being created, like UCF memes, UF memes, etc.
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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2012, 07:49:40 AM »

Allright, another twospd stupid question. Undecided

Right or wrong, I had/have taken the stance of waiting and seeing if EL was going to do the right thing like PS did.   I have not tried a transfer or played there since this went down.   Why I would want to honor the new TOS rules is strange, too say the least, the way EL has handled the situation so far.

My questions is : If it is in there new TOS that no player to player transfers are allowed then wtf are they allowing them?   ps: I just checked b4 typing this and the TOS still read, just as they did when I posted the SS of rule #49,  the way they did the day this happened.

Opinions are all any of us can offer and that is all I would be looking for if anyone can/will offer any.   THX


                             
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2012, 06:43:15 PM »

Allright, another twospd stupid question. Undecided

Right or wrong, I had/have taken the stance of waiting and seeing if EL was going to do the right thing like PS did.   I have not tried a transfer or played there since this went down.   Why I would want to honor the new TOS rules is strange, too say the least, the way EL has handled the situation so far.

My questions is : If it is in there new TOS that no player to player transfers are allowed then wtf are they allowing them?   ps: I just checked b4 typing this and the TOS still read, just as they did when I posted the SS of rule #49,  the way they did the day this happened.

Opinions are all any of us can offer and that is all I would be looking for if anyone can/will offer any.   THX

My opinion is common sense here, That if they are not letting the USA play on there site then the terms of service have to have to be changed to state, its not that there not allowing as when EL black friday hit they locked everyone out, then a week later they opened back up everyones account so they could see there balance and feel safe and trust them that there doing the right thing

They did this so players could transfer without saying it, I think they would rather players transfer then to have to figure out a way to send out checks to everyone for $1, $3, Im thinking they would rather have players lose the money playing games or transfering while at the same time making the do j think there doing the best to block us out

As for transfers which all there poker programs, software, ect. is all hooked together, There not like Full Till or Pokerstars that have a million programer just sitting there in case the site goes down as with being a small site they have to get that all changed before they go and do something that take there poker completely down and then that would panic everyone

I think the person doing there program is just going to take a few weeks to do a fix, I bet it wont be long, so i say enjoy while you can

If you noticed now, I tried to make a new account and the USA is now BLOCKED from making a new account, but some parts of US may still work

I think another point is after the Main black friday, a whole lot of players in the USA made a fake address overseas on everleaf to start with, and then they relized when they closed everone out thats why they went down from 700 players to 116, I dont know if you all saw it but the most players I saw was 116 over that weekend



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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2012, 06:52:53 PM »

This does bite

I just waited 22 1/2 hours, I registered in 3 Guarantees $500, 50 euro & $10, guar

Im not playing in them YET, I was only within like 2 hours of being registed in 5 or 6 more, I know when Im in the middle of a rebuy
that could cause the system to blink but it was my internet this time, powee on me

chit, 22 1/2 hours, at least I got in 3 of them, I coulda registered in 1 other but I was waiting a few
why couldnt it blinked like 2 hours later, dang I am getting tired of this to but what can we do
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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2012, 08:27:07 PM »

Only 3 posts all day 2day on 2p2 in the minted support thread there.   Has every1 given up?   
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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2012, 09:48:20 PM »

Only 3 posts all day 2day on 2p2 in the minted support thread there.   Has every1 given up?   
lemme put it this way... I was in AC all day [-73$, but it WAS my 1st /1/150max venture]
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