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« on: June 29, 2011, 05:09:05 AM »

 
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 05:46:24 AM »

 
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 06:13:56 AM »

What a surprise.  Another great achievement for the year.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 06:35:15 AM »

Seems the plug has been pulled

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/06/breaking-news-full-tilt-poker-license-suspended-by-agcc-10629.htm

Media Release

Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC) has today issued Hearing Notices under
Regulation 46 of its Regulations to Vantage Ltd, Oxalic Ltd, Filco Ltd and Orinic Ltd,
collectively trading as FULL TILT POKER.

In addition, AGCC has issued Suspension Notices under Regulation 47 to the above named
companies requiring them to suspend all operations with immediate effect.

The decision to suspend these licenses follows a special investigation prompted by the
indictments unsealed by US Attorney General’s Office in the Southern District of New York
on 15th April 2011, during which grounds were found to indicate that these licensees and their
business associates were operating contrary to Alderney legislation. The nature of the
findings necessitated the taking of immediate action in the public interest.

The venue and date for the hearing will be announced in due course.

André Wilsenach (Executive Director)
Alderney Gambling Control Commission
Alderney,
Channel Islands
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 07:19:03 AM »

OMG, I feel sick to my stomach. I actually have to play other sites for the next month?

 
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 07:42:27 AM »

RT @Tom_Dwan "Just heard some rly good news that I'd love to trust, gonna go to sleep instead of making my head explode w/ various extrapolations."

Tom said he'd be back with updates after he's slept on things.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 07:43:13 AM »

Wow.  I am speechless.  
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 07:50:26 AM »

Hope is nothing serious


anyone know when the Full Tilt Forums are gonna be back? Oh wait... I'm banned  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2011, 07:51:32 AM »

RT @Tom_Dwan "Just heard some rly good news that I'd love to trust, gonna go to sleep instead of making my head explode w/ various extrapolations."

Tom said he'd be back with updates after he's slept on things.


Everybody now, "ONE TIME!!!"
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2011, 07:54:50 AM »

OMG, I feel sick to my stomach. I actually have to play other sites for the next month?

 

Do you still think your money is safe?
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2011, 07:56:18 AM »

I'm no expert in legal/illegal stuff but...


should we withdraw any money from Full Tilt should we have the chance to?


(esp. BOYNAMEDSUE, you, that was convinced full tilt money was 100% safe?)
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 08:07:15 AM »

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/alderney-suspends-ftp-license-all-play-cashier-halted-1059820/


this is the "two plus two" thread. I saw Kata in there, anyone can provide cliffs?

specially on:

are EU players screwed too?
is there a chance we won't see our money again?

if EU players are OK, when are we going to be able to play again?
if we are able to play again, is it recommended to withdraw anyway and play at PokerStars?
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2011, 08:08:04 AM »

I'm no expert in legal/illegal stuff but...

should we withdraw any money from Full Tilt should we have the chance to?

(esp. BOYNAMEDSUE, you, that was convinced full tilt money was 100% safe?)

Don't worry about it.  Nobody is withdrawing any money from FT for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 08:08:33 AM »

I'm not a total shill, I just happen to believe that the frozen money will eventually find its way back to the players. So yes, it's safe.....but it'll take some time to get it. The gov't is involved, and we all know how fast they work sometimes.

Having said that, I am disappointed in Full Tilt Poker for not segregating the money, and for the way they've communicated with the players since BF.
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 08:36:42 AM »

Yo everyone......Times arrrrrrrrrrrrrra Changing............
Hope all is well otherwise with everyone.
I'll continue @ Carbon for now, & see what happens...
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 08:44:51 AM »

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/full-tilt-gaming-license-suspended-all-play-cashier-halted-1059821/


even the forums are down (hence Welcome Back Everybody!!!)

PS: lulz...
"
Scheduled Maintenance In Progress
The system is currently down for maintenance. Please check back soon!
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Such a nice "catch all" message  Roll Eyes




PPS: nice that some folks have a sense of humour...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/dwan-galfond-claims-center-1059897/
I wonder if Dwan's blog'll now be all    what you guys talkin' about? Wink



http://www.quadjacks.com/2011/06/29/tom-dwan-on-the-state-of-full-tilt-a-brief-history-of-tweets/

Tom Dwan on the state of Full Tilt: A brief history of tweets


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Tom Dwan has been perhaps the most vocal supporter of the company on Team Full Tilt. However, his perspective has shifted in an interesting trend...

April 15 -- Wow

A very sensible reaction. This tweet was sent out on Black Friday, just as the news originally broke. Durrr was clearly as surprised as the rest of us.

- In a market which the doj is (anti-constitutionally) making it difficult to operate in, and one of them is a complete fraud of a company

- I long ago realized that laws replaced common sense in every day government, however I still thought n hoped the regulation of billion dollar industries was usually done in a logical fashion

This was a commonly held attitude at the time. Before it came to light that the big 3 poker sites had been buying banks and committing massive fraud, we were all upset at Uncle Sam for taking away our internet pokers.

- I wouldn't be too worried about ftp/stars $$. I would shoot myself abt ub/cake etc

- I'd guess ftp/stars is worth more than 93c on the $ (almost 100% u get paid but could take 2-3mnths n worst case more)

Mr Dwan was half correct. Stars paid out within 2 weeks of this tweet, while it has been nearly 3 months without payment by FTP as of this writing. At the time, he felt extremely confident that American players on Full Tilt would get paid out; quantifying it at nearly 100%.

April 16 -- @PhilGalfond agreed. I'll match it. Now gonna go get drunk and complain about the doj ;(

This is in reply to PhilGalfond's assertion that everyone was panicking too much, and that players were extremely likely to get paid. Galfond also guaranteed $1 million in payouts from FTP/Stars, which Dwan promised to match.

April 17 -- "@lOWBD: @Tom_Dwan do you own a piece of or have stock/ownership options with fulltilt?" If I did I wouldn't be tweeting obv lol

Tom's response explains quite a bit in retrospect. The fact that he is an apparent non-owner explains both his loquaciousness and naivety.


June 1 - Yo @philivey poker isn't a sport... Rest of your statement is awesome though.

- I'll be playing wsop. Feel fine about that morally b/c I've already said I'll give back 100% I ws paid by ftp if players aren't paid in full

The first tweets of note in 6 weeks. This is in reply to Ivey's lawsuit announcement. His repayment guarantee changes from $1 million to his full FTP earnings.

June 29 - Seems like alderney regulatory body (where ftp's license is) just shut down ftp. Wow I think?

Tom takes a break from tweeting his WSOP results to remark on the news that the Alderny Gaming Commission has suspended Full Tilt's license. The initial reaction is much the same as he had of Black Friday: Wow.

- "@TheEdge2807: does this mean i am likely to lose my roll?" I'd still like to think ur a favorite, but gimme a few mins to try to absorb it

Durrrr is still at least 50% confident that players will be paid, but perhaps not 99% sure as he was before.

- Some pretty objective ppl who's opinions I respect are worried now that FT can't payout or find a buyer. Me too more I think about it

Minutes later, his confidence appears to dip below 50%.

- I'm pretty sick about all this. Its ridiculous that players weren't paid weeks ago. I feel pretty sick to my stomach.

A few hours later, his confidence level finally approaches that of nearly everyone else; very low.

- Just heard some rly good news that I'd love to trust, gonna go to sleep instead of making my head explode w/ various extrapolations.

Ever the optimist, Mr. Dwan cautiously heeds a mysterious piece of good news. Unfortunately, he opts not to share it while the poker world writhes in panic, instead choosing to take a nap.

Shortly after that last tweet, a source within Full Tilt confided to Quad Jacks that FTP intends to go back online in a few hours and continue serving players sans-license. Hopefully the fact that Full Tilt may be going rogue was not the bit of news Tom was so pleased to hear.




I gotta say, respect Durrrr! ("Wow." Wink ) You coulda easily pulled a Lederer, but instead of being an incommunicado freak and a very hard to reach dude, you're actually acting like One Of The Players. Nice to see.

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2011, 08:46:42 AM »

This might be the time when   is appropriate.

I see no reason for stopping the forum and the main site, because their license is suspended, and I don't believe for a minute that the Alderney Gambling Control Commission is anywhere near independent enough to do something like this without Full Tilt basically asking for it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2011, 08:53:17 AM »

I figured something was up when I couldn't get to the forum this morning. 

Well, I suppose this isn't much of a surprise.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 09:07:45 AM »

OMG, I feel sick to my stomach. I actually have to play other sites for the next month?

 
you ought to be ashamed of yourself for telling a noob poster on ftp forum 2 days ago that his money would be safe at ftp and that he should go ahead and deposit.

Despite my love/hate relationship with the FTP admins and security, I was initially pretty confident that post-BF the site would be fine and players would be looked after. I posted to this effect several times on 2+2 and was even accused of being an ftp shill (!) by one guy who admittedly had pretty obvious learning disabilities. However, over the past few months FTP's mismanagement of the situation gradually set off more and more alarm bells, and when I heard a few weeks ago that the smart money was on FTP going under very soon, it seemed totally credible. I've advised most people I talk to on AIM to pull their money out of FTP while they still could, and it boggles my mind that someone with such apparent intelligence and such a wealth of available informationas BNS should be retarded enough to actually vocally support FTP at this time.

It looks like FTP's failure to segregate player funds will end up costing them their gaming license. It's possible that funds were never segregated and that FTP staff actually lied about it, but the only other explanation is that a conscious decision was made to cease the segregation without announcing it to the community. GL to anyone with money tied up, but a huge FU to the likes of BNS who refused to see what was right in front of them and whose ignorance may have led other people to follow them over the cliff.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2011, 09:10:35 AM »

how to submit a formal request for a Full Tilt cashout
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/how-contact-alderney-authorities-try-get-your-money-ftp-1059482/

Thread has 5 pages, it was started yesterday afternoon, I can't read the last page to see if it might be no longer applicable now.

Seems that 2+2 is overloaded cuz pages are not being returned to my web browser.


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From the Epic Thread @ 2+2 that'll most likely be where "News As It Happens" will be posted ( http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/full-tilt-gaming-license-suspended-all-play-cashier-halted-1059821 ) ...

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From quadjacks: FTP is going to reopen in hours and operate without a license

Re: Full Tilt Gaming License Suspended - **ALL PLAY AND CASHIER HALTED**
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Originally Posted by DeathAndTaxes  
What a class act FTP. You use a toothless regulator and when they finally grow a tooth decide to go 100% criminal.

Sad thing is if FTP re-opens it would simply be a run on the bank. They can't pay everyone. Who would play over cashing out?
Many players proberly dont read 2+2 and thinks FTP is down for maintaince..

Anyone in this forum listening to QJ right now? I'm at work, and PC problems prevent me from risking playing a video or even some Flash audio playing plugins, so I have no idea what is being said right now  



Hope QJ ain't the truth; I'd hate to think that they open back up "first come first serve" aka Run At The Bank.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2011, 09:18:09 AM »

OMG, I feel sick to my stomach. I actually have to play other sites for the next month?

 
you ought to be ashamed of yourself for telling a noob poster on ftp forum 2 days ago that his money would be safe at ftp and that he should go ahead and deposit.

Despite my love/hate relationship with the FTP admins and security, I was initially pretty confident that post-BF the site would be fine and players would be looked after. I posted to this effect several times on 2+2 and was even accused of being an ftp shill (!) by one guy who admittedly had pretty obvious learning disabilities. However, over the past few months FTP's mismanagement of the situation gradually set off more and more alarm bells, and when I heard a few weeks ago that the smart money was on FTP going under very soon, it seemed totally credible. I've advised most people I talk to on AIM to pull their money out of FTP while they still could, and it boggles my mind that someone with such apparent intelligence and such a wealth of available informationas BNS should be retarded enough to actually vocally support FTP at this time.

It looks like FTP's failure to segregate player funds will end up costing them their gaming license. It's possible that funds were never segregated and that FTP staff actually lied about it, but the only other explanation is that a conscious decision was made to cease the segregation without announcing it to the community. GL to anyone with money tied up, but a huge FU to the likes of BNS who refused to see what was right in front of them and whose ignorance may have led other people to follow them over the cliff.

Ahh, LO, no need to be so harsh to BNS.  All this took a lot of people by surprise (somehow).  FT had always been straight up on things in the past.  Granted, it probably wasn't the wisest thing to advise people to go ahead and deposit, but since it seemed BF was only affecting US players, the average degenerate poker player won't care too much.  Just so long as they aren't affected. 

The human mind has a wonderful ability to ignore what is in front of it.  No need to go kicking BNS in the nut sack over this.  He didn't cause the  problems and was just being...optimistic.  Despite what BNS might have or have not advised a particular poster, it is up to individuals to do their own due diligence when deciding such matters.  IMO.

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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 09:19:53 AM »

you're doing it wrong Wink
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2011, 09:27:21 AM »

  WOW, I can't believe they were shut down  What a suprise, oh wait, I think I posted something about that on the forum in a reply to some thread, it went something like this: One day you'll try to get on the forum and it won't be there, then you'll try the client, it won't be there either.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2011, 09:29:49 AM »


It's fine now*, was a NW glitch and I'm impatient when shoot hits the fan like this. Read the most recent posts and they were jokey aka "way to go OP you blew up FTP!" So looks like http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/full-tilt-gaming-license-suspended-all-play-cashier-halted-1059821-print/index4.html?pp=100 is where I'm gonna keeping hitting F5 to read the latest "News".



PS: nice to have you here, LO -- no chance of you being banhammered imo




*and after posting, it's down again -- seriously must be getting slammed by FTP forumers Wink
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2011, 09:58:27 AM »

thanks d4d

fyi I meant you ought to set 2+2 to show 100 posts per page (my 2+2 > edit options > thread display options) as it makes browsing entire threads much easier
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