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« on: October 09, 2011, 04:13:05 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 08:45:44 AM »

cliffs?

cuz I can't watch videos at work.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 11:32:32 AM »

cliffs?

cuz I can't watch videos at work.

Not really anything new, just Andre Whats-his-name from the AGCC recapping the events since BF, and it's pretty much the same as how we've heard it.  It happened, FTP came up short on dough, they suspended them, the hearing was postponed, and when it happened, they revoked the liscense.  He did say what we've heard; that if FTP comes under new ownership, they'll work with them to get them licensed and running again.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 11:48:23 AM »

alderney gambling control(?) commission...

 when you allow the one you're supposedly regulating/overseeing to provide all the actual oversight and rely solely on info they provide.... where the f*ck is the "control"

he says : "licensees are required at all times, to comply with certain prudential ratios".... yeah, great rule if it was actually enforced by way of verified financial audits


 easy to make a bunch of rules, but if a company is directly breaking those rules, why would they ever volunteer that info... whole point of making rules/regulations is to keep an entity in check
 common sense logic dictates that if certain rules/regs are needed in the first place, then those upon which those regs are placed CANT be trusted to self enforce them, if they could, no such regulation would be necessary

 in regards to internet based operations, the agcc nor any of these other schill gaming commissions (think kahnawake) actually do anything but provide meaningless "rules/regs and policies" along with worthless logos of "assurance" for a fee
 basically zero of their resources go towards anything that could be remotely described as oversight or control, otherwise even the most rudimentary, inept inspection would have revealed myriad improprieties at FT, AP, UB ect

 here, just as in the multiple kahnawake cases at AP and UB, no oversight ever actually existed in any form, and only after the blatant fraud becomes widely known and impossible to hide do the (IMO, complicit co-conspiratorial) "gaming commissions"  take any actions... mostly in the form of empty, toothless judgements/decisions that benefit nobody and merely serve to placate the gullible


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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 02:01:17 PM »

Apparently, the AGCC is now reviewing how they regulate. I expect they'll require segregated accounts, and will actually start doing work, instead of relying on the word of those they regulate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-15246015
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 03:53:30 PM »

alderney gambling control(?) commission...

 when you allow the one you're supposedly regulating/overseeing to provide all the actual oversight and rely solely on info they provide.... where the f*ck is the "control"

he says : "licensees are required at all times, to comply with certain prudential ratios".... yeah, great rule if it was actually enforced by way of verified financial audits
^ but "we'll take the sites' word whether or not they are complying" is obviously all a "regulator" is expected to do, right?

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 07:15:49 PM »

Well, Tony G is pretty mad - he is considering suing them:

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/10/tony-g-legal-action-alderney-gambling-control-commission-11194.htm
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 08:11:49 PM »

Tony G is a blow-hard.

Yes, the AGCC fricked up, but how does knowing about Full Tilt's troubles back in Dec '10 help the players? There's still a massive shortfall. The players are no worse off now than had the AGCC revoked FTP's license back in Dec '10.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 09:33:24 PM »

Tony G is a blow-hard.

Yes, the AGCC fricked up, but how does knowing about Full Tilt's troubles back in Dec '10 help the players? There's still a massive shortfall. The players are no worse off now than had the AGCC revoked FTP's license back in Dec '10.
Tell that to everyone that deposited between Dec '10 and April '11
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 11:03:59 PM »

Tony G is a blow-hard.

Yes, the AGCC fricked up, but how does knowing about Full Tilt's troubles back in Dec '10 help the players? There's still a massive shortfall. The players are no worse off now than had the AGCC revoked FTP's license back in Dec '10.
Tell that to everyone that deposited between Dec '10 and April '11

Or how about the people who deposited after BF but before the AGCC suspended their license?
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 12:22:14 PM »

this is truly amazing. Its not a matter if players are better off or not, but the fact that this commission took FT at its word that everything was ok. Everyone frekin knew the government was seizing processors, and this never raised a concern? Then what is the point of the commission?

This whole issue was so screwed up by so many people and organizations, it is beyond laughable.

But I am a little curious on how Pokerstars was able to avoid this same scenario. They had to have had funds seized by the DOJ as well.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 04:02:14 PM »

this is truly amazing. Its not a matter if players are better off or not, but the fact that this commission took FT at its word that everything was ok. Everyone frekin knew the government was seizing processors, and this never raised a concern? Then what is the point of the commission?

This whole issue was so screwed up by so many people and organizations, it is beyond laughable.

But I am a little curious on how Pokerstars was able to avoid this same scenario. They had to have had funds seized by the DOJ as well.

Well they had players funds in a segregated account so it was easy enough to avoid the whole our money/their money problem. No doubt there would have been some hiccups with payment processors, but if they were auditing it just once a month, they'd move funds from their operational funds to the players funds if there was a discrepancy. Basically you don't get to a 300 million dollar short fall without serious mismanagement. They had enough money to pay the 50% or so customer base that they had to. Those funds might have even been offshore so were never seized, and they just needed to get the client back to the U.S. players and the okay to send out cheques to process the payments.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 01:31:07 AM »

one of my favorite threads from the "full tilt forums"

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/online-poker-play50131.html
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 08:45:42 AM »

one of my favorite threads from the "full tilt forums"

http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com/online-poker-play50131.html


my guess is you mean Item #15?
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15. Does FTP currently keep player's account balances in trusts?

- We keep 100% of players funds in segregated accounts.

"and by 'segregated' we mean 'Lederers personal account is segregated from Ferguson's personal account!"
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 12:47:12 AM »

#15 and the fact that its a nice bump......
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