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« on: November 22, 2011, 10:11:05 AM »

Well, chit hot damn, this takes short-stacking to a new level.

I can only imagine if this had showed up @ Stars or Tilt LOLOL.

I've only studied down to 20BB for everyday cash game purposes.
Been marginally successful here, but could likely improve.
What would you guyz do for opening/calling ranges?

I'll pull up some HH's l8r, just 4 laffs.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 12:34:19 AM »

I don't think there would be any difference between opening and calling ranges as you'd be shoving either way. 6 max or Full Ring? Off the top of my head:

Any PP
Any 2 broadway
Any Ace
Any suited King (maybe suited Queen, actually)

Emphasis on NOT playing low and mid connectors, suited or otherwise.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 10:57:42 PM »

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6 max or Full Ring?
the ones I've seen are full ring, usually heavily populated.

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Any PP
Any 2 broadway
Any Ace
Any suited King (maybe suited Queen, actually)

Emphasis on NOT playing low and mid connectors, suited or otherwise.
yeah they don't hold well multiway LOL.

little looser than what I've tried... I might try it Grin
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 05:36:22 AM »

Word on the street is you put a bit of volume in here ... how did ya go?
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 08:39:24 AM »

At first, I was thinking just play it like a Full Tilt super turbo sng, but that's incorrect. The blinds don't go up, so I think your pushing range should be tighter.

I have never played these tables, but I will tonight and tomorrow night. Interested to see how I do.

If I were opening the pot, I would:

- Fold small pairs in early-early/mid position, but shove with them in late/middle to late position
- Fold small aces in early-late position, but shove with them from the SB
- Fold A8 and A9 from early to late position, but shove with them from the BTN or SB
- Fold all suited connectors, except in the SB, when facing a tight BB
- Fold broadway cards in early-late position, but shove with them from the BTN and SB
- Shove KQ and KJ from late position, CO, BTN and SB
- Always shove with AJ, AQ or AK

(With limper(s), I would probably play the above hands pretty much the same way, but tighten up my range a bit.)

If the pot was opened for a raise, I would:

- 3-bet shove all medium-big pairs (the later the raise the lower the pair needed to 3-bet shove)
- Fold small-medium aces
- Fold A9 and AT, except when facing a raise from the CO, BTN or SB
- Fold AJ, except when facing a raise from later position or later
- Always 3-bet shove AQ and AK
- Fold all broadway hands, except for KQ with a raise from the BTN or SB
- Fold all suited connectors

(When there's a raise and call in front of you, you need to tighten your range a bit.)

When there's a raise and 3-bet shove in front of me, I would:

- Fold all hands, except for AK, AQs, TT+

(If the 3-better was loose, or if both the raise and 3-bet shove came from late poition or later, I would also include AQ, AJs and 88-99)


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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 11:05:13 AM »

All this detail I am not gonna get into primarily because I am not smart enough to.
If anyone one recalls these are the tables I spoke of a good while back and how they were straight up gambling, but good for building PP's.

When I play these tables, which is very rare anymore, I play them like the FreeRoll's. Basically wait for >JJ and broadway cards. Shove them and cross your fingers.

It has been my experience that every hand is capped PF...I am speaking of the 10nl tbls...that means $1 push and pray...the more the merrier...other than that I have found no "real" strategy to them.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 11:21:20 AM »

Played a mini-session this morning. Made $3 in 15 mins.

I sort of agree, but also disagree with twospd. While I don't think there's much skill involved in these tables (it's more about sticking to an optimal pre-flop all-in range), I don't think it's purely gambling. Others may gamble, but we know better, and in general, play better hands.
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 03:15:39 PM »

These tables sound like the absolute worst idea ever. Pre-flop shove fest, and we know how the players on Everleaf play.

I feel as if the rake would kill any serious player of these. Let's take an example.

AIPF your JJ vs AQ. You're a 57% favorite. So, with an average of 10 hands played out, you should win $5.70 and lose $4.30, for a net profit of $1.40. But let's look closer at the times you win.

Rake is $.01/$.2. At $5.7/$.2, you're losing $.285 for that span, for a total profit of $1.11 per 10 hands. But let's say instead of winning 57%, you only win 5 hands. You'd then lose $.25 for ten hands. Everyone knows about the rake though.

But the problem is, you won't always get that favorable of a pre-flop matchup. Let's say you shove the top 7% of your hands. That's shoving 1 in 14 hands. Now, if you're playing at a 10-max table, then by the third run you will have lost $.15, assuming nobody calls. Even if someone calls, however, and we give them a fairly generous 15% calling range, we're only a 58-42 favorite. Now let's say 1 out of 3 times, your shove is called. That is 40 rounds at the table, assuming it stays 10max the whole time. It becomes an actual net loss, despite being a 58-42 favorite. I'd honestly much rather just outplay my opponents post flop than play at a 10bb cap table.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 04:13:29 PM »

^^ Problem with your math there is that they're calling your Jacks with 84o where you're 80% favourite. Plenty of money to be made at this game.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 07:08:24 PM »

^^ Problem with your math there is that they're calling your Jacks with 84o where you're 80% favourite. Plenty of money to be made at this game.
confirmed opponent are in w/ wide ass ranges
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 11:18:03 AM »

ezgame?

http://www.dailyvariance.com/poker-videos/short-stack-and-20bb-cap-system/
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 08:29:23 PM »

I don't think there would be any difference between opening and calling ranges as you'd be shoving either way. 6 max or Full Ring? Off the top of my head:

Any PP
Any 2 broadway
Any Ace
Any suited King (maybe suited Queen, actually)

Emphasis on NOT playing low and mid connectors, suited or otherwise.

Yeah, this was obviously very whack advice, and pretty much only good for HU.

Played a few sessions at some full 10 player tables pretty much as BNS has suggested. Wanted to post some hands as examples, but they don't save properly, I'm assuming because they're capped and it doesn't know what to do with them. I open shove all my hands and it doesn't show my action when I do this.
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