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« on: November 01, 2011, 06:00:31 PM »

How was this played?
Could I have played it differently?

Everleaf $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1499926
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SB: $8.46
BB: $9.40
UTG: $5.00
UTG+1: $47.08
UTG+2: $4.05
Hero (MP1): $10.00
MP2: $18.72
CO: $2.96
BTN: $3.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP1 with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, BB calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.15) 2 5 6 (4 players)
BB bets $2.15, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4.30, CO calls $2.46 all in, BB calls $2.15

Turn: ($13.21) 7 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.20, BB calls $4.60 all in

River: ($22.41) Q (3 players - 2 are all in)

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2011, 06:40:24 PM »

I hate is your min reraise on the flop. You have 1 pair on a draw heavy board in a multi player pot (although you have the best pair possible your hand is still only 1 pair and extremely vulnerable). The pots big enough on the flop after BB's donk bet that you have to jam over the top or else your gonna get stacked.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 07:12:02 PM »

We talked in chat, but at the micros my standard open is 4BB + 1 per limper. 70 here would be fine.

The min raise on that scary flop is bad. You're just giving great odds to everyone else in the hand. Shove at this point. If he has exactly 78hh he's a slight favourite, but if he just has a flush OR a straigh draw you're a 2 to 1 favourite. But what that means is if you give him 4 to 1 odds to call he's doing the right thing by calling. You need to get the chips in and give him the wrong odds to call.

As played, that's the worst card in the deck. It completes the flush, a straight draw and makes a lot of 2 pair hands. AA has shrunk a lot and I'm checking behind there.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 07:42:20 PM »

As you said in chat Fletch and it seems everyone is agreeing I should not have min raise here.
My rationale for my bet/min raise is:
My normal line of thinking here is that they are thinking (the BB) that I have raised a big ace and completely missed the flop therefore they are going to bluff into me with a pot sized bet and get me to fold. To me this seems standard at any stake I have played on everleaf.
The all in co I was worried about so my thinking became to try and get the most out of the BB at this point that I could.
Also in my defense ,I am always thinking set OTF. If I would have been played back at here I am prob folding.
I am in agreement I should have checked river.

I am crying here but this 50% vpip avg for the majority of the players is bordering on lunacy/straight up lets just play atc and when we miss flop we will just bluff ppl off the pot.

EDIT : Thank you for replying Rem Man...this section needs more posts and I am not to embarrassed to post my screw ups and give my reasoning on why I did what I did...The more the merrier and as for me "Hurt my feelings" when pointing out how screwed up my thinking was/is

This one is short but BB hit a set on the turn
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 08:06:01 PM »

As you said in chat Fletch and it seems everyone is agreeing I should not have min raise here.
My rationale for my bet/min raise is:
My normal line of thinking here is that they are thinking (the BB) that I have raised a big ace and completely missed the flop therefore they are going to bluff into me with a pot sized bet and get me to fold. To me this seems standard at any stake I have played on everleaf.

But what did you put him on? Your thinking seems to be entirely focussed on the cards you have. You are thinking "What does my opponent think I have?" and have not mentioned what you think he has. This helps illustrate that people at these limits are almost never thinking about what you have, and are entirely focussed on their own hand. You think he is bluffing you because he puts you on Ax but the reality is he has an over pair and is betting that for value.

The all in co I was worried about so my thinking became to try and get the most out of the BB at this point that I could.
Also in my defense ,I am always thinking set OTF. If I would have been played back at here I am prob folding.
I am in agreement I should have checked river.

I am crying here but this 50% vpip avg for the majority of the players is bordering on lunacy/straight up lets just play atc and when we miss flop we will just bluff ppl off the pot.

Send me a session and we can discuss it in depth.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 08:11:11 PM »

I thought I said I put him on a small pp or a set OTF with him thinking I was playing a big A that missed.

edit this also ...I guess I mentioned the small pp in chat and not here
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 08:13:07 PM »

Intervention time.

What do you see in this pic?



I'll tell you what I see.  A guy got beat at 2NL.  Rather than listen to the masses telling him that he has to be able to handle 2NL before he moves up, he ends up at 4NL.  Same beat happens, he posts again.  He is told not to play scared or he will get eaten alive.  Go back to basics and right the ship.  So later on, up pops a thread where he got hosed at 10NL, that mystical fantasy land where people play sooooo much better, raises are respected, and suckouts magically disappear.

You can go play 5000 NL and have this happen, sir.  Money is relative to the wealth of the person holding it, and I guarantee some banker thinks nothing of dropping a grand at lunch hour "trying out that new Texas Hold-it thingy".  Have you ever seen HSP?  They bring in billionaires who think nothing of losing 500K on A9.

The problem isn't everyone else, sir.  It's you.  And while it's true you're not always at fault, and while you have taken some beats, it doesn't mean that you couldn't have done better, or that the way you play as a result hasn't screwed you afterward.  That $2 stacking isn't the end of the world, but when you tilt off 4 bucks as a result, it gets a lot more painful.  Going to bigger stakes might result in you getting it back, or it may put you farther in the hole.  If you want to crapshoot, fine; but don't delude yourself into thinking that's the proper thing to do.  This post alone shows you quite well that your premise that "they play better at 10NL and I can do better" is false.

I'm sorry if this is mean, I really don't mean to be that way.  I see a guy spiraling out of control and I want to try to stop it.  I guess I haven't given up on "converting" people after all.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 08:31:47 PM »

^^^ tl:dr^^^

I was wondering when someone would bring this up...LOL

But seriously,I have always played better after getting settled in on a site by moving up just as fast as I could.
The "Super Micros" of 2nl are just to much bingo for me.
And to make it worse, on everleaf the bets being placed are so far out of proportion with what is showing on the board that I do in fact get caught up in only my 2 cards. If I had a nickle back for everytime I have raised a "normal" size raise or slightly over playing 2nl and hit TPTK yet still got called by bottom pair that winds up catching 2 pair ott or otr I would be happy.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 08:41:13 PM »

Ok now I have read that and thank you.
Seriously, Thank You... I have told sooooo many ppl to "Hey, take a break" while playing and been cussed out for doing so it almost makes me not want to do it also.

I will try.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 08:46:13 PM »

Ok now I have read that and thank you.
Seriously, Thank You... I have told sooooo many ppl to "Hey, take a break" while playing and been cussed out for doing so it almost makes me not want to do it also.

I will try.


Bastard, was about to post this:



Hope it works out for ya.  I can feel ya rite now, I've been getting creamed of late and on a break beyond the fourum games myself atm.

Edit:  Almost skipped the Prodigy tourney tonite, as a matter of fact, and I bet Fletch wishes my luckbox ass had missed it, too.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 08:47:58 PM »

Send me a session and we can discuss it in depth.

If I really knew how I would.
This is something I am going to take the time to learn how to do.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 08:53:52 PM »

Anyone remember the Angry German Kid video?
The one I liked best was where he was holding KK I believe.
He gets really excited and happy only to have villain show a set?

This is how I have been feeling as of late.

This isn't the one I was looking for but if you run it out to around 7.5min mark it is somewhat funny.

http://youtu.be/1BCMIimDZOs
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 10:10:11 PM »

Send me a session and we can discuss it in depth.

If I really knew how I would.
This is something I am going to take the time to learn how to do.

c:\My Documents\Prodigy Poker\twospd\

In there will be a bunch of folders organised by date. In those folders will be text files of table names which hold all the hands observed at those tables. Email me those files.
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