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November 10, 2011, 10:55:28 PM »
You need to forget about what they actually had in this instance, but look at their range of hands. That being said.
Hand 1: Villain played perfectly against you. He either bet for value or bluffed the turn and you folded.
Hand 2: What did BB have? Assuming you have them beat, you put 46 in the pot when you were ahead and called 62 when you were behind. Villain called small bets and raises and then bet for value with 2nd nuts. If he thought he could get some value when he hit, then he played it fine.
Hand 3: As I said, villain is ahead there with his flush draw and overcards so he played it fine. If he puts you on Ax or a small pair his shove is ideal. He's in trouble if you flopped a set (or 2 pair, but that's almost impossible on that flop) or if you hold a bigger flush draw. None of that is very likely, so maximising fold equity by shoving over your raise is the perfect play.
You need to forget about what they actually hold. It's getting in the way of your decision making process. You don't know what they hold when you make these decisions, so it doesn't affect if your decisions was correct or not. Have a look at what I said about each hand and why, and argue against my logic if you want. The only rule in debating correct or incorrect play is that what your opponent held is irrelevant.
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Ok so I was on hyper tilt last nite.
I would still challenge anyone to only play 2nl FR and find it manageable though.
I will even go as far as to put up $5 and challenge anyone to play 2nl Hold em FR
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for 1k hands and if you can show a 3bb/100 avg the $5 is yours.
This challenge is open starting right now through 2359 central time Sunday nite 11-13-11
I will want to see PT or HEM graph filtered for the appropriate dates.
The first person to accomplish this and post a SS of graph in this thread during this time frame is the winner.
I would hope that anyone taking me up on this will play "In the Spirit of the Comp" and not just take down a big pot and then fold out for 999 hands. But I am not saying this is not allowed. As stated though, I will want to see a graph.
It is only 3bb/100 so this really should not be difficult.
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EDIT : I left out that I am meaning at Prodigy only
I also just added more clarification in the sentence about 1st person 2 accomplish this.
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^^^ Instead of editing again I will post this thought here.^^^
As I said I would want to see a graph filtered with the correct dates. Again in the "Spirit" of things I would hope it was also filtered for only the correct stakes and # of players. Really no way to verify this that I know of so lets be on the honor system .Ok...lol
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Quote from: twospd on November 11, 2011, 11:41:48 AM
I will even go as far as to put up $5 and challenge anyone to play 2nl Hold em FR
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for 1k hands and if you can show a 3bb/100 avg the $5 is yours.
I will be at work in about 4 hours and getting my poker on. I'm sure the graphs show what filters you use, so 2nl Everleaf it is.
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Quote from: Fletch_smf on November 11, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: twospd on November 11, 2011, 11:41:48 AM
I will even go as far as to put up $5 and challenge anyone to play 2nl Hold em FR
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for 1k hands and if you can show a 3bb/100 avg the $5 is yours.
I will be at work in about 4 hours and getting my poker on. I'm sure the graphs show what filters you use, so 2nl Everleaf it is.
This should be interesting.
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Seated and on the waiting list at the NY tables. Let's see what happens ...
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Yea, you are lucky to have 2 tables going...even seen you had a 3rd running for a short time...LOL
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Yea, you are lucky to have 2 tables going...even seen you had a 3rd running for a short time...LOL
I just want to check sir, you say you want to test full ring 2nl. Now considering I started a couple of tables I have quite a few hands that are short handed as the tables filled and then broke up. Would you like me to filter for a minimum number of players?
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No nothing like that. Ten spots at a table is all that matters.
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Cool sir. Will make it easier to get the hands in. 271 so far. $1.10 in winnings.
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779 hands in about 5 hours. Most of it two tabling, but occasionally I was short handed at a third.
$6.54 is 327BB /7.79 =
41.97 Big Blinds/100
The big V between 500 and 600 hands was all short handed, but that's where the most fun is. Filtering for more than 6 players ...
$2.16 is 108 BB/4.68 =
23.07 Big Blinds/100
Much more stately, but increasing steadily. Will do another session tomorrow to get me over 1000 hands in both categories. I will email you my hands, two, so you can import them and have a look at them. I certainly didn't play them all perfectly as I was at work at the time, but please go through them and ask any questions. Feel free to post any hands in this thread to ask for input from others.
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November 12, 2011, 06:44:22 AM »
Impressive.
I am very surprised you were able to get that many hands in.
Nice job.
For me I am staying away from FR awhile. Six max seems to be a gold mine. It could be luck? Variance? What I believe though is I am better able to manage the chaos. Time will tell.
For a fact the hands /hr is where it needs to be. I was able to get in 800ish hands yesterday fairly quickly.Most importantly, I left the tables in the black.
Wed. nite? Playing FR we were running at 37 H/hr...that is just silly.
Thx for the HH's. I will work on getting them to PT.
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Ohh look at that, I didn't quite make the 1000 hands. Oops. Guess I didn't earn that $5.
$8.74 is 437 big blinds / 9.99 is 43.74 Big Blinds per 100
Filtering for more than 6 players ...
I played 548 hands and made $5.22. That's 261 blinds / 5.48 is 47.62 Big Blinds / 100
Sending you the HH now. Would love to chat with you about any of it.
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Ohh look at that, I didn't quite make the 1000 hands. Oops. Guess I didn't earn that $5.
Boy, didn't see that comin...
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Quote from: Fletch_smf on November 12, 2011, 10:55:55 PM
Ohh look at that, I didn't quite make the 1000 hands. Oops. Guess I didn't earn that $5.
Boy, didn't see that comin...
lol. I learned from the best, sir.
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Oh no...It ain't going down like that
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Oh no...It ain't going down like that
What's that? You're adding a $5 bounty on yourself in the Mucking Monkeys Bounty game? Message received and understood.
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I'm inspired to action. My break is ending and I'm at 2nl on Prodigy.
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^^ I've got $5 for you if you can get in 1000 hands with a profit of 3bb/100 or higher.
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Would also enjoy looking through the hands and picking your brain on why you did what you did in certain spots.
My less than computer savvy self will have to figure out how to get the hands into PT though. Soon!
I have found my honey hole at 6max , Euro style
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^^ I've got $5 for you if you can get in 1000 hands with a profit of 3bb/100 or higher.
Sounds like a dare? What say you Six?
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^^ I've got $5 for you if you can get in 1000 hands with a profit of 3bb/100 or higher.
Far too lazy to count hands. But I'll give 5 bux to anyone who stacks me.
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