Here are two hands.
How would some of you have played them.
Now remember, these come from Everleaf and I understand that should not matter,or I think I know that?
I suppose my question is how do you all play when it seems the avg vpip on a table is 50%?
Imo, it really doesn't matter how much you raise pre (within reason) there will be 2-3 players with you.
Imo again, it plays so much like a limit game in that a normal size raise does nothing to discourage players from coming along with garbage. It is blowing my mind and I just can't beat the game there.
I just can never tell where I stand in a hand.
Do I just sux at poker?
If so, why am I up so much at Merge?
Why are the games on Everleaf so different.
I am forever card dead there and when I do catch a playable hand ths is what happens.
I am of the opinion that the QQ hand ,even if I would have raised to say 6bb ,the same players would have come along regardless.Then what?
The A9s hand is a hit hard or fold. Well fk, how much harder do I need to hit?
This may belong in the other section but I am posting here because I need some indepth strat for playing on Everleaf.
Please move if deemed inappropriate here.

On a side note I had zero tilt here.Was playing a 2nl also and left there up .96cent. But ONLY because I called a stone cold bluff against one of the reg for a "them" all in bet of a buck. This happens all the time there.I mean I am constantly seeing pre raises of 10+ bb. It is just "Lets gamble it up "over and over and over. And the sad part is the extraordinary amount of times that the K8o kind of hand will win after having raised outta ep like 4bb or something...Ok ,Now I am bitcain a little,sry.

Am I just having a really bad run of cards here or am I just butchering the hands I do play.
Hurt my feelings and be brutally honest.

Someone needs to step up and give some solid strat on how to beat these idiots,IMO
I am at my wits end and not ashamed to admit it.
I am including results here.


Everleaf $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 1498914
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UTG: $7.24
UTG+1: $1.44
MP: $2.00
CO: $3.35
BTN: $1.90
Hero (SB): $4.04
BB: $4.07

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG calls $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.16) 2 J 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.12, UTG calls $0.12, UTG+1 calls $0.12, Hero raises to $0.56, BB calls $0.44, UTG calls $0.44, UTG+1 calls $0.44

Turn: ($2.40) 6 (4 players)
Hero bets $3.44, BB calls $3.44, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.84 all in

River: ($10.12) 5 (3 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $10.12
UTG+1 shows 7 6 (two pairs, sevens and sixes)
Hero shows Q Q (a pair of queens)
BB shows 7 J (two pairs, jacks and sevens)
BB wins $4.67
BB wins $4.95
(Rake: $0.50)


Everleaf $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1498915
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MP1: $5.06
MP2: $1.76
CO: $1.94
BTN: $2.43
SB: $3.57
BB: $3.70
Hero (UTG): $4.42
UTG+1: $11.50

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with 9 A
Hero calls $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, 2 folds, CO checks, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.20) 8 9 9 (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.12, CO calls $0.12, BTN folds, SB calls $0.12, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.68) 4 (4 players)
SB bets $0.74, Hero raises to $2.96, UTG+1 calls $2.96, CO calls $1.82 all in, SB raises to $3.41, Hero calls $0.45, UTG+1 calls $0.45

River: ($12.73) 6 (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $0.85, UTG+1 calls $0.85

Final Pot: $14.43
CO shows 9 Q (three of a kind, nines)
SB shows Q Q (two pairs, queens and nines)
Hero shows 9 A (three of a kind, nines)
UTG+1 shows 8 8 (a full house, eights full of nines)
UTG+1 wins $7.38
UTG+1 wins $4.71
UTG+1 wins $1.62
(Rake: $0.72)

There is no "solid strat" to beat every player in a particular field. Everyone will play differently, so you have to adapt to their play style and play their weaknesses.

I don't have a lot of time to review your hands right now, but the first mistake I see with the QQ hand is limping, and not raising. You say that even if you raise, they would've most likely called, and if so, that is just one of the situations where the better hand will end up losing. Your big hands won't always win, so your goal is to maximize the amount of money you get when they do win.

Limping pre is never good. The QQ example, you're only limping because you figure you only have a pair and you're not got going to get anyone to fold. You then check raise the flop and shove the turn, when you still only have a pair. If you want to play small ball poker, then play small ball poker. Particularly when there are 2 callers after the initial bet. Do you think you have all 3 opponents beat? How about after they all call the check raise? You think you're winning then? Against 3 opponents with the action that's occurred, do you think open shoving the turn is a good play? And don't show the action after you're last action, i.e. the shove. It means people have to judge your actions with the same information you have.

The A9 hand wasn't going to play out any differently considering what every was holding, so you can consider it a cooler. But again, don't show results because what happened in this instance is not the point. The question is what is the correct play in this situation. And the correct play is to raise pre then do what you can to get all the money in from as many people as possible because there is only 1 hand that beats you.

I will repeat something else I've said before ... you can't bluff at these limits. As you can not make money by getting someone to fold a better hand, the only option you have is to get people to put money in with a worse hand. And you want them to put as much money in with a worse hand as you can. In the QQ hand you are likely to be best pre, so raise as big as you can that will get people to call. If you think they're calling a shove, then shove. You played it entirely the opposite of that, limping when you had the best hand, then check raising the flop with the second best hand then shoving the turn with the 3rd best hand.

Related to that is the fact you're only getting to showdown when you're losing a hand. You would never post a hand that you raised pre, got some callers, C bet and everyone folded. But this will happen a lot of the time, and money will be made there. Loose Passive players love to call with the worst hand pre, so open as big as you can and make them pay to see the flop. Keep increasing your opening bet until they stop calling. Then on the flop, if you didn't connect, you can bet half pot and take it down. If you make your set or top pair with your AK bet closer to pot to maximise the profit.

And you've got my email address to send your a session of HH. That offer is always open.

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