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« on: November 07, 2011, 09:28:12 PM »

  WARNING    
 This may/is going to be a long rambling post and I am not crying/griping/bitcaing etc.etc.
I also will be asking some GENERAL questions that will prob.,and understandably so, get only general,if any, responses.

 Is anyone doing any good on Everleaf? I mean day in, day out, are you leaving the tables up? Of course some days will be better than others and occasionally you may be down a little but ONLY a little. For myself the answer is a resounding HELL NO.

 The 2nl games there are maddening. The avg table vpip% stays around 50%. How do you cope with a table full of limper's,cold callers that will call practically any raise, within reason, with atc? And just let them catch any piece of the flop. I have played from extremely nitty to super loose and everything in between. I've been agg. as all get out and as passive as they come. Nothing and I mean nothing I do works.

 I guess what I am asking is what is a firm starting strategy for a table with this kind of player/action?

 I understand I have been told play hit or git,fit fold,mostly never bluff, etc. etc. but I swear I am always coming out with second best hand. PF and OTF it can be 75/25 and better my way and I'll be damned if I don't get beat one way or another.

 An example would be yesterday in the span of 200ish hands I got stacked 3 times set over set. WTF do you do? Walk away? I really do not tilt often anymore,LOL, but situations such as these happen so regularly there for me it is almost a pain to sit down and play.Zero enjoyment and it just overall puts me in a bad mood.

 I played at Merge tonight and looked at the 4nl tbls there. This is the lowest stake that Merge offers. For the most part the tbl vpip's were around 15%.  IMO, this is "normal" but compare that to Everleaf.

 I am not saying this as a true statement but I am beginning to get the feeling that either there is a lot of collusion and/or a lot of sharing of hole cards info. somehow or another. Flame away at me for bringing this up and I just don't know what to say about the affiliation here except that I do know I am not saying anyone here is doing anything wrong. I just wanted to bring it up in case anyone else has gotten this feeling. That is the only reason for bringing this up.  

 As I said, I played at Merge tonight. I don't want to jinx myself,LOL,but as a rule I always leave a winner there, playing whatever game or stake I choose to play. So what is the difference between the two sites? The one glaring diff is the tbl vpip. Another is,and maybe I am just reading the clients stats wrong?, is I always show the "Won Without S.D." stat as 0%.

 I look at PT or my paperwork and except for the occasional blips that happen, and that I know why happened (tilt), I usually leave after 200ish hands up $5, and on up, playing 10nl at Merge. I never really played nl when FT was up so I can only judge between two sites.
Yes tonight was a good night, and is the exception not the rule, but when I left Merge to play the TT game after 332hands/2.5hrs I was up $27.40  You know if basically a person can sit and play a few hrs and for the most part always leave a minimum of +50bb they just can't be doing all that much wrong.

So again what can be so drastically different at Everleaf?

I suppose after all this rambling that that is what I am wondering?

For the doubters about my record on Merge playing 10nl I will post my graph if anyone requests it.
Right now I just figure this post is long enough.

If you have made it this far ,Thx for reading, and just maybe someone will be able to help me understand what I am doing wrong.

EDIT: Don't know why it won't let me correct the word bitcaing in the first sentence.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 10:47:39 PM »

You emailed me those hands yet?

Oh and bitca is the fourum censor at work.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 10:54:40 PM »

Was thinking of sending 2nites session from Merge to you 1st to look at and then running the same # of hands at Everleaf tomorrow nite and getting them to you.
Too much?

Going 2 bed now and would send them in morn if u say ok. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 11:18:40 PM »

I am up at Prodigy.  I made a series of transactions a year ago to get a few forum sponsored stakes started, and as a result started with 21.00.  As of now I am at 43 and change.  I started off on an absolutely horrendous clip of bad luck (as Fletch can attest to a fair bit of) and dropped to 11 before I started to rebound.  Since then, I've done quite well basically playing ABC poker and avoiding getting too cute.  I've been on a downturn of late to get me to my current balance.

Long story short is this:  These tables are VERY profitable, and I've no doubt Fletch will tell you the same.  As for your case, I would recommend not just letting advice go in one ear and out the other and actually put some of it into practice.  I've seen some of your stackings, and you can't blame it all on the villains.  Lose the cutesy "moves" and settle down.  You can't outplay people too dumb to fold.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 06:13:55 AM »

Was thinking of sending 2nites session from Merge to you 1st to look at and then running the same # of hands at Everleaf tomorrow nite and getting them to you.
Too much?

Going 2 bed now and would send them in morn if u say ok. 

Yeah man, send them.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2011, 07:25:40 AM »

sigh...been working on it most of this morn...again they have been deleted from computer but are in PT and I am trying to figure out how to get them out.
where i thought they would be is in the processed files so i go there and it opens like a IE/browser window trying to show a xml file? but nothing appears on the screen.
then i narrow it down and bring up the export window of each table but it is wanting me to choose a place to send a csv file?
it is more difficult than copy/paste for me. simplest thing to do is just after a session send them because at that point i can find the hh files easy enough and it should be just copy/paste.

plan to play everleaf 2nite and send hh after ending.

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2011, 08:17:03 PM »

sigh...been working on it most of this morn...again they have been deleted from computer but are in PT and I am trying to figure out how to get them out.
where i thought they would be is in the processed files so i go there and it opens like a IE/browser window trying to show a xml file? but nothing appears on the screen.
then i narrow it down and bring up the export window of each table but it is wanting me to choose a place to send a csv file?
it is more difficult than copy/paste for me. simplest thing to do is just after a session send them because at that point i can find the hh files easy enough and it should be just copy/paste.

plan to play everleaf 2nite and send hh after ending.

sigh

Been a while since I used PT3 but there should be a checkbox in the import windows to delete files after importing. Uncheck that box and the files should remain.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 07:48:04 AM »

 
Been a while since I used PT3 but there should be a checkbox in the import windows to delete files after importing. Uncheck that box and the files should remain.
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Did you give up on PT3 Fletch?  Are you using some other program now?



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Been a while since I used PT3 but there should be a checkbox in the import windows to delete files after importing. Uncheck that box and the files should remain.

Did you give up on PT3 Fletch?  Are you using some other program now?



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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2011, 01:06:38 PM »

Play as ABC tight as possible. Seriously. Play speculative hands if the price is cheap. Don't be afraid to build a pot with a top pair. If they're aggressive, let them bet. If not, bet.

I've beaten the Everleaf games to a tune of 20bb/100 at 2nl through 15,000 hands. And that does include two severe downswings (5BI and 10BI).

Start tables as well. The bad players will gravitate to them and the best chance to win a stack is by playing one of the Euro fish HU. Also, there are a few "decent" players down there. Avoid them at all costs because there really isn't a need to play against them.
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