Warning: I will try to keep this as brief as possible and please don't think I am moaning about losing. I suppose in a way I am though.
I have been torn about posting this since it happened and still don't know if it will come across correctly or if I should be posting here or Hot Air & Vent.
I am honestly asking for opinions even though I know what went wrong. This is more a mental thing than true strat talk although the mental aspect of this game is huge,IMO.

This hand here I should never of gotten all these chips on the table with what I was holding. There are just to many hands that crush me.I know that. So in some of your opinions why can I not get away from hands like these on Everleaf but can easily fold for this many chips at RPM? And just look at the cards. They are the same but different suits. That's it. Over and over this seems to happen to me on Everleaf.

Why can I not get away from hands like this on Everleaf?

The Sb is running 73/27/59...I mean geez,wtf can you possibly put this cat on?


Everleaf $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1541448
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Hero (BTN): $22.79
SB: $32.01
BB: $10.00
UTG: $5.79
UTG+1: $13.98
MP1: $5.18
MP2: $20.47
CO: $5.00

CO posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is BTN with T A
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO checks, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $0.96, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.46

Flop: ($2.32) 8 3 T (2 players)
SB bets $1.05, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $2.95

Turn: ($10.32) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10.32, SB raises to $27.05, Hero calls $7.51 all in

River: ($45.98) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $45.98
Hero shows T A (a pair of tens)
SB shows A T (a flush, ace high)
SB wins $43.23
(Rake: $2.75)


Now after this happened I stuck around a few more hands just watching and folding and this happens to the same player.
Atleast to me this is the crap that is just mind blowing. Now that I really look at the hand it is not as bad as it appeared at the table yet still there is that darn river card just conveniently hitting.



Everleaf $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1541451
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Hero (UTG+1): $8.14
MP1: $54.49
MP2: $12.50
CO: $9.75
BTN: $10.75
SB: $15.89
BB: $23.25
UTG: $3.78

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with K 5
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.40, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 4 7 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.19, MP2 raises to $0.68, MP1 calls $0.49

Turn: ($2.31) K (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.41, MP2 calls $1.41

River: ($5.13) 7 (2 players)
MP1 bets $10.01, MP2 calls $10.01

Final Pot: $25.15
MP1 shows T 7 (a full house, sevens full of fours)
MP2 shows T T (two pairs, tens and sevens)
MP1 wins $23.65
(Rake: $1.50)


After that hand^^^ I left. Again with a sour taste about this site and went to Merge. Here is where the real question comes in. What is the major difference in the two sites? Is Everleaf just so loose that this happens more often? That just seems so backwards. These loose players should be getting crushed over the long haul but time and again I see them rewarded. When I look at HUD the players that should,IMO, be beating the game are in the red and this >50%vpip sht is green. What is up with this?

I was going to post some Merge hands but this post has gotten to long as it is so I will just post a SS of PT general info. It is filtered for today only although this is a typical session for me there when I play the way I know to play and not when I bring my Everleaf bad habits to these tables with me. Yes I am running somewhat hot during this session but if I had not already been tired from playing at Everleaf things would of leveled off in the sense that I may of played another 150 hands and the bb/100 would not be so high.


 
 

Also, your bets and raises are too big. If you raise to $3 on the flop, the pot on the turn is only $8, and you can bet $5. When your opponent shoves on the turn you can fold for the extra $13, instead of having to call the $7 more.

Never, never, never play a 400+bb pot with just 2PTK. Even against a maniac with flush draws on the board. Remember what we talked about, with the tilt issue. Bad players have to win sometimes. Sometimes we have to give up what we think will be good hands. If we bet less OTT, say...$7, then we can get away when he shoves. Which we should do. Let's think about his line:

3bets pre.
Donks and calls your raise.
CRAI OTT on a bad, bad card for you and a great card for his range.

That's strong. That's very strong, even from a maniac. Remember this general rule of thumb though: The deeper the effective stacks, the better the hand you need. IE we should be willing to go AIPF with 88, AQ, against a 20bb player, but we really shouldn't go AIPF with anything less than AA/KK or AK against a 200bb player.

I honestly think that your problem with Everleaf is mental and not within the game. You're telling yourself that the players on Everleaf are bad. Horrible. This is true. But you're telling yourself that you can play and stack off with much weaker hands than normal. This is ok as well, but you're not considering the hands your opponent might have. They will have weaker hands. But they don't necessarily stack off as lightly as you think. Like that A3 v AJ hand I saw you play. On RPM, you tell yourself that the players are better, so they will show up with better, so you can fold hands that you wouldn't on Everleaf. If you bring your RPM mentality to Everleaf, you will win.

BTW, stats after only 140 hands is a good indicator if you're facing someone. But they aren't at all a great indicator if you're judging/studying yourself. I'd be more interested if you had at least 2,000 hand samples from both sites to compare.

4 betting pre here with ATs is a bad idea. Small Hand Small Pot.


Raising this flop is a bad idea. Small Hand Small Pot. You have one pair at this point.


Bet folding the turn here is a bad idea. Checking behind is the correct play allowing you to call a river bet. Actually assuming you just called the flop bet and the SB is leads out again, you can call their bet and easily fold to the triple barrel on the river. They are never firing 3 streets with a hand you beat.Small Hand Small Pot.

So instead of raising then bet calling all in with TPTK you should have called the flop, called the turn, and folded to the triple barrel on the river which would have cost you maybe $3 all up. You have a Small Hand and you want to play a Small Pot. (Yes I am repeating myself. I am doing so for good reason.)

If he has any flush draw plus an overcard to the T (like K5ss) he is getting odds to call a shove on the flop. You cannot raise him out of the pot and him calling any raise you make is the correct play on the flop. If he doesn't have anything then he is folding to your raise. You cannot get him to make a mistake unless he has a weaker Ten which is a small part of his range. Money in poker is made by getting your opponent to make a mistake.