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« on: October 30, 2010, 09:40:59 PM »

Line checks, please, including bet sizing. Couldn't get a HH converter to work, so here's a few hands in the replayer. Try not to let the results affect your thoughts.

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Some questions from someone transitioning into MTTs.

Hand 1: The check behind on the turn ... is that going to get more value on the river from weaker Aces, 8s and other PP's and is that worth giving a free card for those times he has the flush draw?

Hand 2: Final 3, should I have checked behind on that board to try and get more value later in the hand?

Hand 3: C Bet standard there?

Hand 4: Pre call standard? Line?

Hand 5: Calling the C Bet and bluffing the River after weakness on the Turn standard?

Hand 6: River bet a mistake?

Hand 7: Flop raise should have been bigger. Any other problems with that hand?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 10:50:42 AM »

At the risk of being ridiculed and told I'm wrong in so many areas I will attempt to answer your questions as best I can.


Hand 1...really hate that preflop minimum raise. I would do 2.5-3x there.  Hate your flop bet.  Gave him such an easy pot odds call on his flush draw. Fire on the turn again. As played the only bet I like is the river raise size. Villain has a ton of chips and is going to chase you with a weaker ace, 8 and/or flush draw.  Make him pay.

Hand 2 Again why the minimum raise preflop?  Once again you gave them the right odds to chase their straight draws on the flop.  I prefer firing on that board as a continuation bet.  You will get calls from players that have a piece of that board.  Not a bad spot to check behind either being rainbow flop but it's always dangerous and I find when I get too cute it bites me in the ass all too often.

Hand 3 Once again why the minimum raise? Weak bet on the flop too.  Very good spot to fire on the turn with a 2/3 to 3/4 bet size.  Your check was weak.

Hand 4 Weak hand out of position but it is 3 handed and you are the chip leader so can't fault you too much on the call although it would depend how active my opponents were on the button and how much information on their hand ranges I have as well as their style of play.  Are they loose, tight etc.?

Hand 5 Pretty standard especially if your opponent continuation bets often with air. However, I would have preferred to check/raise there.

Hand 6 Once again I really don't like your preflop minimum raises but whatever floats your boat. The river bet was definitely not one I would have made. There are not a lot of hands that will call you that you have beat. On the turn I'm checking and am done with this hand without improvement.  What would you have done there if he made a big chk/raise?  Better to take the free card in this spot especially when he called your flop raise.

Hand 7 Don't like the preflop raise, don't like the size of your flop raise, don't like the size of your turn bet.  Give it up on the river or if you really think you can take the pot then put the pressure on him with a much bigger river bet. Your bet sizing was weak.  Probably had you crushed this hand but that's results orientated right?


Having said all this congrats on your finish. I'm curious as to why all your bets are so small? From pre-flop on.




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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2010, 08:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Kashuskay
At the risk of being ridiculed and told I'm wrong in so many areas I will attempt to answer your questions as best I can.
Thanks for taking the time. The open min raises are because I have less than 50BB, so it's easy enough to get the stacks in if I hit the flop hard, and it also encourages the bad players to call me down lighter when OOP, and then fold to my C Bet. It's also because I'm not trying to get committed to a hand like AJs.

In conjunction with that, it's unlikely for me to bet more than half pot in post flop play, especially with Top Pair, okay kicker.
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Hand 1...really hate that preflop minimum raise. I would do 2.5-3x there.  Hate your flop bet.  Gave him such an easy pot odds call on his flush draw. Fire on the turn again. As played the only bet I like is the river raise size. Villain has a ton of chips and is going to chase you with a weaker ace, 8 and/or flush draw.  Make him pay.
It's because he does have so many chips that I don't want to get into a big pot with him with a marginal hand.
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Hand 2 Again why the minimum raise preflop?  Once again you gave them the right odds to chase their straight draws on the flop.  I prefer firing on that board as a continuation bet.  You will get calls from players that have a piece of that board.  Not a bad spot to check behind either being rainbow flop but it's always dangerous and I find when I get too cute it bites me in the ass all too often.
While TJ is getting odds, AJ and AT aren't. And their ranges are pretty wide open at this point. I also have position, so I can keep an eye on pot size.
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Hand 3 Once again why the minimum raise? Weak bet on the flop too.  Very good spot to fire on the turn with a 2/3 to 3/4 bet size.  Your check was weak.
I'm wondering if I should have checked behind on the flop ... I'm not sure if semi-bluffing against 2 opponents is a good idea, because I don't think I have much Fold Equity.
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Hand 4 Weak hand out of position but it is 3 handed and you are the chip leader so can't fault you too much on the call although it would depend how active my opponents were on the button and how much information on their hand ranges I have as well as their style of play.  Are they loose, tight etc.?
Yeah, sorry I didn't supply any sort of reads. Like I said I couldn't convert the hands and it seemed messy to try and supply info for all 7 hands.
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Hand 5 Pretty standard especially if your opponent continuation bets often with air. However, I would have preferred to check/raise there.
You're right about the C/R. The min C bet had me confused.
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Hand 6 Once again I really don't like your preflop minimum raises but whatever floats your boat. The river bet was definitely not one I would have made. There are not a lot of hands that will call you that you have beat. On the turn I'm checking and am done with this hand without improvement.  What would you have done there if he made a big chk/raise?  Better to take the free card in this spot especially when he called your flop raise.
I was definitely folding the river to a raise, as he's not bluff raising a 4 straight board there with his missed flushes. How much of his range is Kx or 8x, though, compared to Qx and worse 2 pair type hands that will call a small value bet?
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Hand 7 Don't like the preflop raise, don't like the size of your flop raise, don't like the size of your turn bet.  Give it up on the river or if you really think you can take the pot then put the pressure on him with a much bigger river bet. Your bet sizing was weak.  Probably had you crushed this hand but that's results orientated right?
I'm never limping pre HU. That takes away the chance for me to win the hand outright. The size of the flop raise was bad. You make good points about the turn. I don't have a lot of HU experience, but I think it makes us both looser, and happy to call a C Bet with most of our ranges. I thought the 2nd barrel would help take it down against a lot of his no pair hands that have me beat, namely Ax & Kx. On the River I have no chance to win unless I bet it and I felt he would have raised some point if he had a 9.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 07:51:37 AM »

Hard for me to comment since I can't get the hand player to back up.  Sometimes text works better in this situation.  So I'll throw my comments in on the K-Q hand.

I do sometimes get trapped by somebody checking the two-pair on the flop if I had something like A-K---but if I would bet and they call, then I'm going to put them on K-Q right away and they don't get any more of my money, cause the A-K is only like 14% after the flop.  However J-10 is 30%. 

So I think that betting the flop is essential--you are confusing your opponents, you would make the same bet holding A-K, A-Q,J-10, K-J.  The other point is that 2 pair is a good hand, but not a monster.  I think you have to have a monster to check.

Just my humble opinion
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 11:44:00 AM »

Hand 1: The check behind on the turn ... is that going to get more value on the river from weaker Aces, 8s and other PP's and is that worth giving a free card for those times he has the flush draw?

-I would assume given Villain's stack, his calling range is pretty light here, and thus if you had reads similar to what this hand indicates you could be valuebetting him to the river.  I see no reason to get fancy OTT to gain the chips you would likely have gotten anyway.

Hand 2: Final 3, should I have checked behind on that board to try and get more value later in the hand?

-3-handed is all the more reason to bet with position.  There's a higher likelihood that you'll be put on a steal.  If villain(s) have nothing, at best you'll pick up a steal bet later; whereas if someone has a hand you'll be building a nice pot with the bet.

Hand 3: C Bet standard there?

-Yes, C-bet flop; and given the perfect turn card for your PFR, a bet OTT would have been advisable.

Hand 4: Pre call standard? Line?

-Standard, no.  But depending on read, not at all out of the question.  Line is fine IMO; you've got a bluffcatcher and nothing more.

Hand 5: Calling the C Bet and bluffing the River after weakness on the Turn standard?

-Absolutely.  Villain played this so horribly I'd be embarrassed at myself if I didn't push him out OTR.  He might as well have asked you to bet him out as played.

Hand 6: River bet a mistake?

-In most cases, yes.  If villain is known to call light, there's thin value there, but against most calling ranges you're -EV.

Hand 7: Flop raise should have been bigger. Any other problems with that hand?

-I might have taken a line with a higher bet OTT, but I'm sure your turn bet was a v-bet bluff to set up the river steal, and that's fine too. 
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