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« on: November 02, 2010, 09:25:20 PM »

It's the second orbit in a 90 man KO SNG. My original raise should obviously be bigger, but as played should I be shoving here?

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players -

BTN: t2910       97 BBs
SB: t2480       82.67 BBs Seems reasonable
BB: t1970       65.67 BBs
UTG: t290       9.67 BBs Lost his stack AK < QQ after getting it in good.
UTG+1: t1240       41.33 BBs Calls pre then folds to C Bets
UTG+2: t1650       55 BBs
MP1: t1930       64.33 BBs
Hero (MP2): t1970       65.67 BBs
CO: t3560       118.67 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP2 with T T
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, UTG+2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t133, 2 folds, SB calls t118, 1 fold, UTG raises to t236, UTG+1 calls t206, 1 fold, Hero Huh??
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2010, 09:36:49 PM »

I'm probably wrong, but in this situation, I'm just smooth calling and praying for a set.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 05:31:02 AM »

Our implied odds from setmining are monstrously good right now.  Way too early to go for dead money in the pot by isolating with a shove and this is micro stakes, too, so I just flat here 100% of the time and re-evaluate postflop.
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 06:08:21 AM »

I'm probably wrong, but in this situation, I'm just smooth calling and praying for a set.

I think T-T has more value than just set mining, but no reason to shove, there are quite a few cards/bets on the flop that will make you want to find a better spot--plenty of time.
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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 06:39:05 AM »

You can call and set mine, but then you have to fold when over cards and draws hit etc...so you are losing chips a majority of the time with the probability being 1 in 8 of you flopping your set.

I go ahead and shove the tens over the limpers and i get lots of value when they call me with their pairs 55+, their Ax etc...

These people are limping so much bs and they will limp call your raise pf with trash and get there otf, my shove gets rid of those people, but the folk who are limping in their pairs will call you and you will get value from them, you will get value from the Ax's too, obviously you are not going to win every time, but you are ahead most of the time here.

Sometimes you will get all folds and will be picking up the dead money, but most of the time with that many limpers someone is likely to call you with their pocket pair and you will have them dominated and pick up a nice stack.

In this particular hand, the utg limps then he re-raises, he obviously has something, he could have limped aq there or is raising with his pocket pair, I would like to think he was not limping QQ+ there, but everything is possible at this buy-in level. lol
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 09:21:02 PM »

In this particular hand, the utg limps then he re-raises, he obviously has something, he could have limped aq there or is raising with his pocket pair, I would like to think he was not limping QQ+ there, but everything is possible at this buy-in level. lol
He is the short stack though, so even if he takes the main pot, I'm happy with the bigger side pot if SB or UTG+1 calls.

I think this illustrates the problem with set mining, as well, as the short stack is the only hand I'm worried about. I'm obviously not getting any more value from him, and if it flops under cards, then SB & UTG+1 fold, and I've lost my chance to chip up.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 09:35:03 AM »

In this particular hand, the utg limps then he re-raises, he obviously has something, he could have limped aq there or is raising with his pocket pair, I would like to think he was not limping QQ+ there, but everything is possible at this buy-in level. lol
He is the short stack though, so even if he takes the main pot, I'm happy with the bigger side pot if SB or UTG+1 calls.

I think this illustrates the problem with set mining, as well, as the short stack is the only hand I'm worried about. I'm obviously not getting any more value from him, and if it flops under cards, then SB & UTG+1 fold, and I've lost my chance to chip up.
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All the more reasons to shove pre imo.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 01:19:07 AM »

I misread chip stacks myself.  Definitely shoving pre to isolate for sure.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 07:44:49 AM »

I don't understand the logic of shoving here with 65BB's in the stack.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 03:55:10 PM »

^^ Ideally to get SB to fold and UTG+1 to call. Though if they both call it's not that bad. UTG possibly has me, but he's only 290 chips. SB and UTG+1 have just called the action so far, and UTG+1 will call with a wide range. Neither SB or UTG+1 have played like they have a hand that has me beat so far, so I'm really just trying to minimise the number of over cards that are in the hand. If they all have Ax then they've used up a lot of their outs, particularly if their kickers are less than a 10.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2010, 03:15:53 PM »

I don't understand the logic of shoving here with 65BB's in the stack.

Here is an example:


Full Tilt Poker $11 + $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1017158
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UTG+1: t1545       38.62 BBs
UTG+2: t1885       47.12 BBs
MP1: t1065       26.62 BBs
MP2: t1290       32.25 BBs
Hero (CO): t1440       36 BBs
BTN: t2115       52.88 BBs
SB: t1460       36.50 BBs
BB: t1200       30 BBs
UTG: t1500       37.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls t40, 4 folds, Hero raises to t1440 all in, 3 folds, UTG calls t1400   Shocked

Flop: (t2940) Q 2 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2940) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2940) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2940
Hero shows T T (a pair of Tens)
UTG shows 8 8 (a pair of Eights)
Hero wins t2940

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